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THREAD # 3:
"Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
DATE/TIME: Jan 30
2005, 07:56 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Salvador Astucia
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: N/a
My book can be viewed online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com
Salvador Astucia
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 01:03 AM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Shanet Clark
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Salvador Astucia
From the online book by the alias SALVATOR ASTUCIA
"LBJ was Secretly Jewish
Genealogical and historical evidence strongly suggests that the 36th US
President and his wife were secretly Jewish. This is highly significant when
one considers that President Johnson joined America and Israel at the hip, a
policy that has now been in place for nearly 40 years, and a policy which
most of the world does not understand or endorse.
"The following sections will hopefully shed new light on this taboo subject:
- Secret Ethnicity
- Nov. 1956: The Suez Crisis
- Feb. 1957: LBJ Rescued Israel from UN Sanctions
- The Six Day War
- Israel's Brutal Attack of the USS Liberty
- Arthur Goldberg, UN Point Man
- 1968: Lame Duck LBJ Attempted to Appoint a Jew as Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court"
UNREGISTER REQUEST
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 03:36 AM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Salvador Astucia
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Shanet Clark
I'm sorry if discussing a potential conflict of interest makes you
uncomfortable. But as the cited text states, if LBJ was in fact Jewish, that
fact would be highly significant--for historical purposes --when one
considers that President Johnson joined America and Israel at the hip. As an
educated person, can you honestly say that doesn't matter?
Salvador Astucia
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 06:20 AM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Mike Tribe
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Shanet Clark
This man would appear to be more than a little strange, if not actually
"weird". I think his views are simply unacceptable. His website is full of
stuff like this...
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 06:38 AM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Mike Tribe
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Shanet Clark (follow-up)
He is also connected with David Irving, although they had a falling out
because Irving believed him to be too anti-semitic!
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 07:44 AM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: John Simkin (Moderator)
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Mike Tribe
As you know, I am very uncomfortable about banning people from this forum
because they hold views different to me. I would like to think that this
problem is best dealt with by debating the issues.
However, Andy and myself have made it clear that the expression of racist
views on the forum is unacceptable. I agree that the views expressed on
Salvador Astucia’s website are unpleasant (and not very logical). But surely
he should be judged on what he actually says on the forum rather than his
website.
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 07:58 AM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Tim Gratz
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: John Simkin (Moderator)
John,
So here on the Forum he says it is significant that LBJ was secretly Jewish?
Free debate is one thing but associating the Forum with nonsense and/or
racism can, IMO, "cheapen" it (not quite the correct word but I think you
get my point).
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 11:27 AM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: John Simkin (Moderator)
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Tim Gratz
Shanet is quoting from his website. However, do you think I should ban him
from the Forum because he claims that LBJ was secretly Jewish. It might be a
ridiculous statement but is it really anti-Semitic? If I began banning
people from the forum for making ridiculous statements we would see a sharp
drop in membership. In fact, if I used this criteria I would have had to ban
you for your theories about Castro being behind the assassination of JFK.
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 12:51 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Andy Walker (Moderator)
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: John Simkin (Moderator)
I agree with John. Members of the forum should be judged on what they post
here.
The best way to deal with racists is after all to engage them in debate. So
long as Salvador Astucia doesn't break our on our forum rules there is no
reason to ban him.
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 05:13 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Shanet Clark
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Andy Walker (Moderator)
Andy,
I have the highest respect for you and John, I appreciate your tolerance and
sense of fairness in running this board.
The sanctions on WIM DANKABAAR and TIM CARROLL were less merited than the
action I am requesting here....
At least we know they used their real names when they contributed here.
They weren't posting promos and links into books with "protocol of zion"
themes...
I would rather work with WIM and TIM than this "ALIAS" interloper.
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 06:07 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Salvador Astucia
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Shanet Clark
The notion that LBJ was secretly Jewish is not ridiculous. Some might say it
is ridiculous because it doesn't matter, which is a reasonable but separate
debate. The assertion itself is far from ridiculous. If someone's mother is
Jewish, that makes him/her Jewish, under Jewish law. I have found no
evidence that Johnson's mother was openly Jewish, but there are lots of
indications that some of his ancestors and relatives were.
President Johnson was from Texas and many people don't think of Texas as a
place where Jewish people live. Such generalities are typically incorrect,
as they are regarding the state of Texas. It is important to remember that
before 1821, Texas was still a Spanish colony where only Catholics could
take up residence. Consequently, anyone who was Jewish had to be secretive
about it, otherwise they would be forced to leave, or worse.
Several players in the Kennedy assassination were Jewish individuals who
lived in Texas. Jack Ruby lived there. Abraham Zapruder lived there as well.
In 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations linked Ruby to Jewish
mobster, Meyer Lansky. One of Johnson's closest aides was Abe Fortas, also
Jewish. So why is it ridiculous to think
Johnson himself might have been? In fact, one of the last things President
Johnson attempted while in the White House was to appoint Fortas to Chief
Justice of the Supreme Court. In 1968, Johnson nominated Fortas to replace
retiring Chief Justice Earl Warren. When the nomination came to the Senate
floor, a filibuster ensued. On October 1, 1968, the Senate failed to vote
because of the filibuster and Johnson then withdrew the nomination. With
that, Fortas became the first nominee for that post since 1795 to fail to
receive Senate approval. Had the nomination been approved, Fortas would have
been the first Jewish Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in American
history, no small matter to say the least.
The mere fact that Johnson tried to get his Jewish aide to head the Supreme
Court does not alone prove that Johnson himself was secretly Jewish. But it
raises questions about LBJ's true agenda.
In 1989, Louis Gomolak, Ph.D., wrote a dissertation for the University of
Texas entitled, "Prologue: LBJ's Foreign - Affairs Background, 1908-1948."
Gomolak (who is Jewish himself) provides lots of facts which support my
assertion that LBJ probably had ancestors or relatives who were Jewish. At
the time I first published Opium Lords, I had not read Gomolak's paper, but
I intend to use it as a source document in the next edition. In the
meantime, James M. Smallwood, Ph.D. (history professor, Oklahoma State
University) has an excellent web page entitled, "OPERATION TEXAS: Lyndon B.
Johnson's Attempt to Save Jews from the German Nazi Holocaust."
http://www.texancultures.utsa.edu/hiddenhi...mallwoodLBJ.htm
And of course Johnson did more than any other president to establish Israel
as a major player in the world theater. LBJ was an open supporter of Israel
during the Six Day War. As most people know, Israel stole land from
neighboring Arab nations during the Six Day War, an act which was condemned
by the United Nation within months after the
attack per UN Resolution 242. Ironically, Resolution 242 was ratified on the
fourth anniversary of President Kennedy's death, November 22, 1967.
Back to my original point -- is it is completely sane and rational to
consider the strong possibility that Johnson was secretly Jewish. Had he
been *openly* Jewish, it would not be an issue. But being secretly Jewish
--combined with is pro-Israel policies--introduces the strong possibility
that LBJ was in effect a spy for Israel who became president
through rifle fire.
Reasonable people can disagree, but educated people should deal with
evidence, rather than engage in name calling simply because the evidence
does not fit their personal belief system.
Respectfully,
Salvador Astucia
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 06:39 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Shanet Clark
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Salvador Astucia
I would respond, but I am too busy VOMITING
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 07:13 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Gary Buell
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Shanet Clark
Salvador Astucia (not his real name by the way-is this allowed?) is clearly
anti-semitic. Read it in his own words:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/religion_and_politics.htm
Personally, I believe the standards for membership in this Forum should be
be standards of scholarship and research, not free speech. However, I admit
that I have not read all of his book and am considering order a copy.
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 07:39 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Salvador Astucia
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Shanet Clark
QUOTE(Shanet Clark @ Feb 1 2005, 06:39 PM)
"I would respond, but I am too busy VOMITING"
Such an intellectual response.
The real reason you will not respond, Mr. Clark, is because I have presented
truthful, verifiable evidence which, at a minimum, demonstrates the value of
discussing LBJ's possible Jewish heritage.
Here's a suggestion, Mr. Clark. You should resign from this forum. I'm
serious. You are causing nothing but trouble and you disagree with the
forum's overall policy of free speech. In addition, your public whining is
only increasing traffic to my website. As a result, you are hurting your
apparent agenda of promoting and protecting Israel and Zionism.
Salvador Astucia
This post has been edited by Andy Walker: Feb 1 2005, 07:42 PM
[NOTE: Moderator Andy Walker had earlier placed Salvador Astucia's account
on strict supervision. Occasionally, one of Mr. Astucia's message was
posted, and this is one of those rare occasions.]
DATE/TIME: Feb 1
2005, 07:59 PM
TITLE: "Opium Lords" - Zionist connection
POSTER: Salvador Astucia
THREAD WAS STARTED BY: Salvador Astucia
REPLIED TO: Gary Buell
QUOTE(Gary Buell @ Feb 1 2005, 07:13 PM)
"Salvador Astucia (not his real name by the way-is this allowed?) is clearly
anti-semitic. Read it in his own words:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/religion_and_politics.htm
"Personally, I believe the standards for membership in this Forum should be
be standards of scholarship and research, not free speech. However, I admit
that I have not read all of his book and am considering order a copy."
Interesting comment, Mr. Buell. Not many people would openly admit they do
not support free speech under any circumstance. Regarding scholarship and
research, many of the messages on this thread are one or two line insults.
Is that your idea of scholarship and research? Apparently if one is born a
"blue blood," one can say anything he/she wants on this forum without fear
of reprisal. Talk about racism. Pull-ee-yuz. :-)
Salvador Astucia
[NOTE: Moderator Andy Walker had earlier placed Salvador Astucia's account
on strict supervision. Occasionally, one of Mr. Astucia's message was
posted, and this is one of those rare occasions.]
Salvador
Astucia has written a book, Opium Lords, which deals with the
opium-rich Golden Triangle and how it was used to pay the men who killed
President John F. Kennedy. Astucia has written a second book, Rethinking
John Lennon's Assassination: The FBI's War on Rock Stars. To read either or
purchase, click here:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com
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