An Actual Debate at alt.conspiracy.jfk
Normally the discussions on alt.conspiracy.jfk aren't even worth ignoring. But recently, I forced one of the paid minions to debate me. Although this individual's motivation was clearly to humiliate and belittle me, at least a debate did in fact occur. This is a rare event at alt.conspiracy.jfk.
Subject: Re:
Message to newbies: This NG is fake.
From: salvadorwriter@cs.com (Salvadorwriter)
Date: 7/5/02 8:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <20020705111918.14736.00004608@mb-ct.news.cs.com>
>>bnholmes@rain.org
>>>Now, how about discussing the case itself.
Salvador:
>>Okay.
Holmes:
>>> What is your opinion of the 6.5mm object on
>>> the AP xray?
Salvador:
>> No opinion.
Holmes:
> "No opinion"??? Hmmm, seems that you know very
> little of the medical evidence. That's okay,
> some people aren't interested in it.
Sorry, I was trying to keep the book under 2,000 pages.
Salvador:
>> Do you discuss it in your book?
>> :-)
Holmes:
> Yes I do. The first part of chapter six, and
> appendix iv.
Does your book have a title? Would pages numbers
be too much to request?
Holmes:
>>> What is your opinion on control/non-control
>>> of the autopsy by the Kennedy family or by
>>> the military?
Salvador:
>> I do not believe it was the Kennedy family who
>> controlled the autopsy. It was the military and
>> the Secret Service. Major General Chester V.
>> Clifton was filmed entering Parkland Hospital
>> at the time Kennedy was taken there. He had
>> to have known what was going on. This is discussed
>> in my book on p. 53.
>>
>> Here's the URL
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/inside_parkland.htm#Page_53
Holmes:
> Fascinating!! It's amazing the amount of detail
> that you've provided to demonstrate Maj Gen
> Clifton's involvement!
I already provided plenty of evidence that the hospital
was a mad house with Secret Service agents openly fighting
FBI agents and Secret Service agents aggressively arguing
with doctors regarding taking the body back to Washington,
DC without an autopsy being performed.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/inside_parkland.htm
There is no way in hell that a General could have walked
inside the hospital and not been aware of what was going
on. And this particular General continued to work under
the Johnson administration as an aide and advisor.
Salvador:
>> The role of the Secret Service inside Parkland Hospital
>> is discussed in Chapter 2 of my book (pp. 49 - 53).
>>
>>
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/inside_parkland.htm
Holmes:
>>> What is your opinion on the front neck wound? Entry
>>> or exit?
Salvador:
>> Exit. See URL below.
>>
>> The following chapter provides a detailed analysis
>> of the shots fired, and the directions from which
>> they originated. (pp. 149 - 154)
>>
>>
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/proving_conspiracy.htm
>>
>> If you want to read a quick summary of the shots
>> fired (and nothing else), look at pp. 153 -154
>> under a section entitled "Summary of Shots fired."
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/proving_conspiracy.htm#Page_153
< Holmes posted excerpt from Salvador's book>
>***********************************
> Kennedy’s Neck/Back Wound
>
> Much has been made about the direction of the shot
> to Kennedy’s neck. As previously stated, we know
> that Connally’s immediate reaction after hearing
> the first shot - the one that caused Kennedy to
> grab his neck - was to look to the rear. My
> description of Connally’s response is corroborated
> in the Zapruder film and in Connally’s testimony.
> Hence, we can conclude that the wound to Kennedy’s
> neck/back was caused by someone firing from the rear.
>
> In my opinion, many of the so-called critics who make
> a fuss about the direction of the bullet that hit
> Kennedy in the neck are intentionally creating a
> smokescreen to divert people away from noticing and
> discussing time delays between shots.
>***********************************
Holmes:
> Hmmm... so you use Connally's movements to determine
> the direction of the bullet. Proving transit at the
> same time. Powerful argument! Decisive and persuasive!
Connally's reaction is merely additional evidence that
supports Christian David's assertion that the neck/back
shot came from behind. It is not absolute "proof" but
it makes a lot of sense. BTW, conspiracy is already
shown whether the neck wound came from the front or the
rear. The one second delay between Connally's shot and
Kennedy's head shot demonstrates that one shooter could
not have made both shots.
And the four second delay between Kennedy's back/neck
shot and Connally's shot destroys the WC's Single Bullet
Theory.
Holmes:
> Congratulations! You've managed to reach the
> threshhold of killfiling that even Andy MacAskill
> never did! Plop!
It seems like that was your objective all along.
------
Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords" (416 pages), the book that solved the
JFK murder.
View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com
or purchase book for $29.00 in USA (includes shipping).
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/order_hardcopy.htm