Communiqué # 73: From Jerry Russell to Forum, September 23, 2002

Synopsis: Jerry Russell asks for clarification about the remodeling work Patrick Knowlton did at a Chevy Chase home at the time of Foster's death (July 20, 1993). Russell asks, "If Knowlton was a handyman and was working to remodel someone else's home, doesn't that lend support to the idea that he was a contractor and not a full-time security chief at that time?"

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If Knowlton was a handyman and was working to remodel someone else's 
home, doesn't that lend support to the idea that he was a contractor
and not a full-time security chief at that time?

At 09:11 PM 9/22/02 -0700, Salvador Astucia wrote:
> I made an error when I suggested that Patrick Knowlton
> owned a home in Chevy Chase which he was remodeling on
> July 20, 1993.
>
> The home belonged to someone else. He was a handy man
> of sorts and was remodeling it.

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Communiqué # 74: From Slade Farney to Jerry Russell, September 23, 2002

Synopsis: Slade Farney mocks Jerry Russell for asking such a rudimentary question. He advises Russell that Knowlton's career as chief of security at the Saudi embassy was prior to his career in construction. (See Exhibit A)

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Is this genius pinch-hitting for DC Dave, now? Then here we go, gang: 

1. What's a Foster?
2. Who's buried in Foster's grave?
3. Did Foster jump off Marcy Park, or was he pushed?

The key phrase in your question, of course, is "at the time". It seems 
Knowlton was an ambidextrous fellow who could guide tours through the 
city like a veteran taxi driver, remodel homes as a handy man, and 
water the trees in public parks like a stray mutt -- not all at once,
of course.

And if he ever worked as a security chief, it was not "at the time", 
but at an earlier time, like when Turley first met him. 

--Slade

Jerry Russell <jerry@efn.org> wrote:
> If Knowlton was a handyman and was working to remodel someone else's
> home, doesn't that lend support to the idea that he was a contractor
> and not a full-time security chief at that time?
> 
> At 09:11 PM 9/22/02 -0700, Salvador Astucia wrote:
> >I made an error when I suggested that Patrick Knowlton
> >owned a home in Chevy Chase which he was remodeling on
> >July 20, 1993.
> >
> >The home belonged to someone else. He was a handy man
> >of sorts and was remodeling it.
> 
>

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Communiqué # 75: From Salvador to Jerry Russell, September 23, 2002

Synopsis: Salvador refers Jerry Russell to Exhibit A where Carol Valentine specifically states that, according to DC Dave, Patrick Knowlton worked as chief of security at the Saudi embassy before switching careers to a lesser paying job in construction.

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:15:45 -0700 (PDT) 
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: (CORRECTION: Foster Debate) Update to Exhibit C,
Statement of Facts 
To: "Jerry Russell" <jerry@efn.org>, sfarney@bigfoot.com,
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Jerry,

I refer you to Exhibit A, Carol Valentine's testimony
(September 17, 2002) where she described conversations
with DC Dave and Hugh Turley regarding Patrick
Knowlton's employment as security chief at the Saudi
embassy.

The timeline is clear. Knowlton worked for the Saudis
first, then switched to construction.

In her testimony, Valentine made that point and also
recalled expressing amazement to DC Dave that Knowlton
would give up a high-paying job in security to become
a construction worker.

Here is an excerpt from Exhibit A:

---quote on---
DC Dave first brought up the subject of Knowlton's
background in a phone conversation I had with him many
years ago. He said words to this effect:

===

You know, Turley actually met Knowlton way before the
Foster case . . . Turley was giving a magic show at
the Saudi Embassy and Knowlton was the security chief
there.

===

I expressed amazement, of course, and wondered why
Knowlton was still not in security work. What would
have caused him to leave that field and become a
construction worker? DC Dave had no answer.

During the ensuing years, DC Dave and I talked from
time to time about Knowlton's background as security
chief for the Saudis. We agreed that Saudi Arabia was
one of the US's most important puppet states, and that
it was a testbed for repressive US police state
measures. Again, I expressed puzzlement at Knowlton's
career. Why would Knowlton move from a high paying
job like that, working for the Saudis -- doubtlessly
with military/intelligence clearance -- to a
construction worker, and then on to being a tour guide
in Washington, D.C.?

DC Dave agreed with me that Knowlton's career
background just did not add up.

In the last year/year and a half or so, I had a
conversation with Hugh Turley. I asked him how he met
Knowlton. He told me the same story: He was doing a
magic show at the Saudi Embassy and Knowlton 
was the security man for the Saudis.

---quote off---

Please note that DC Dave, Hugh Turley, and John Clarke
asked that their names be removed from this discussion
forum immediately after Valentine's testimony.

Salvador

--- Jerry Russell <jerry@efn.org> wrote:
> If Knowlton was a handyman and was working to
> remodel someone else's home, 
> doesn't that lend support to the idea that he was a
> contractor and not a 
> full-time security chief at that time?
> 
> At 09:11 PM 9/22/02 -0700, Salvador Astucia wrote:
> > I made an error when I suggested that Patrick Knowlton
> > owned a home in Chevy Chase which he was remodeling

>> on July 20, 1993.
> >
> > The home belonged to someone else. He was a handy
> > man of sorts and was remodeling it.
> 


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Communiqué # 76: From Moderator/Salvador to Forum, September 23, 2002

Synopsis: Moderator/Salvador announces that he is shifting the discussion to Israel's involvement in Foster's murder. He encourages participants to speak openly about the Jewish culture and not to be constrained by Western taboos that restrict free speech regarding all facets of Judaism. Salvador advises that when we discuss Israel, we are discussing a Jewish state. When we discuss a Jewish state, we cannot avoid discussing the Jewish culture and the Jewish religion. Salvador instructs participants to keep their comments focused on Israel and Jewish individuals involved in the Foster case. He warns participants that changing the subject or name-calling will not be tolerated.

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:34:55 -0700 (PDT) 
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Shifting the discussion to Israel's involvement in Foster's murder 
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Readers,

Many thanks to the participants who shared their
thoughts about Patrick Knowlton’s version of events on
July 20, 1993, and criticisms therein.

I believe both sides have been heard fairly and
completely, although there doesn’t seem to be much
question that Knowlton’s story is highly suspicious.
Not much needs can be added at this point.

Having stated that, I wish to shift to another topic:
Israel's involvement in Vince Foster's murder.

This is an important topic because showing Israeli
involvement helps establish motive—that Vince Foster
was killed by Zionist fanatics in order to thwart the
Oslo Accords.

Of course discussing Israel means occasionally
broaching the taboo topic of "Jews."

For some reason, Western societies do not allow that
topic to be discussed in polite company. But given
that Israel is a Jewish state, this makes all facets
of Jewish culture, Jewish religion, and Jewish
political interests fair game for debate.

The American news media does not hesitate to report
news that is extremely damaging to Catholics, Muslims,
and virtually any other religion, but they treat
Judaism with kid gloves. They label anyone who engages
in open dialogue about Jews and the Jewish state as
anti-Semitic. The reason for this is obvious. The
American news media is owned/controlled lock, stock,
and barrel by Jews.

So let us persevere.

Discussions of any and all religions need not be
repressed or suppressed.

The First Amendment to US Constitution guarantees both
freedom of religion and freedom of speech. We are free
to practice any religion we choose, and we are free to
criticize any religion as well. Those who seek to take
away these rights in the name of "anti-Semitism" MUST
be viewed not as patriots, but as traitors.

George Washington warned citizens, in his farewell
address in 1796, to renounce any "passionate
attachment" with another nation, and also to repudiate
"inveterate hatred" toward another country.

We should heed Washington’s sage advice.

When we discuss Israel we are discussing a Jewish
state. When we discuss a Jewish state, we cannot avoid
discussing the Jewish culture and the Jewish religion.

If we can discuss some religions, then we must be
allowed to discuss all. But if one is protected from
ridicule, then all must be protected as well. They are
not. This double-standard must end.

As moderator of this discussion forum, I hereby decree
that the matter of Israeli/Jewish involvement in the
death of Vince Foster, and the ensuing cover-up, shall
be the next topic of discussion.

Participants are instructed to keep their comments
focused on Israel and Jewish individuals involved in
the Foster case in any capacity. Changing the subject
or name-calling will not be tolerated.

Let the next phase of the debate begin!

Regards,

Salvador


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Communiqué # 77: [Exhibit D] From Salvador to Forum, September 23, 2002

Synopsis: Salvador shares a personal experience (labeled Exhibit D) where Hugh Turley advised him not to speak of Jews around Patrick Knowlton because Knowlton's girlfriend is Jewish, and consequently, that is a sensitive area. Salvador argues that the incident is highly relevant not merely because Knowlton’s girlfriend is Jewish, but because it establishes Patrick Knowlton as someone who aggressively obstructs conversation about Jews, the Jewish culture, Jewish political interests, and ultimately, the Jewish State.

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) 
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Patrick Knowlton’s Jewish Girlfriend 
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At this time I wish to share a personal experience
with readers about Patrick Knowlton’s girlfriend, who
is Jewish.

The incident is highly relevant not merely because
Knowlton’s girlfriend is Jewish, but because it
establishes Patrick Knowlton as someone who
aggressively obstructs conversation about Jews, the
Jewish culture, Jewish political interests, and
ultimately, the Jewish State.

In case any readers are unaware, I was once friends
with Hugh Turley and DC Dave. Unfortunately, this is
no longer the case.

Last January (2002), Hugh Turley advised me that
Patrick Knowlton was sensitive about political
discussions involving Jews because, according to
Turley, Knowlton’s girlfriend Kathryn (who has a Ph.D.
in psychology) is Jewish. DC Dave had mentioned this
fact to me on several occasions, something that he
claimed was disturbing because it tainted Knowlton’s
credibility somewhat.

Turley’s statements about Knowlton and his girlfriend
were completely unsolicited.

This is how the incident occurred:

On January 2, 2002, JFK assassination
researcher/author Robert Groden gave a lecture at a
law office, in Severna Park, Maryland, that offered
classes on the Constitution.

Prior to the event, Turley learned of Groden’s lecture
and asked me and several other folks if we wanted to
accompany him to the affair. As it turned out, three
of us planned to go: Turley, DC Dave, and me.*

A day or so before the event, I received a phone call
from Turley. This is generally how it went:

---------
Turley:
... Patrick Knowlton might accompany us to Groden’s
lecture. I don’t know if you’re aware of it, but
Patrick’s girlfriend is Jewish so you might want to be
careful about making comments about Jews. DC Dave
already offended him when the three of us had lunch
together recently so we need to be careful not to
upset him.

Salvador:
What did DC Dave say?

Turley:
He made some off-the-cuff remark about Jews, I forget
exactly what it was. We all knew Kathryn was Jewish. I
could tell Patrick was offended, but he didn’t say
anything. Later during the luncheon, the conversation
shifted to current events and Patrick mentioned that
his girlfriend had voted for Clinton.

DC Dave said, "That figures."

Knowlton snapped back, "This conversation is over!"
And he walked out of the restaurant in a huff.

Salvador:
He sounds pretty sensitive. I don’t think DC Dave said
anything that terrible. Not enough for Knowlton to
have reacted that way.

Turley:
Well just remember that he’s sensitive about the topic
of Jews, so you might want to tone down your comments.

Salvador:
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s like this: I
can only tone my comments down so much, then the
message is lost. I believe Israel and powerful Jewish
interests sponsored President Kennedy’s murder.
There’s no polite way to say it. I’ll try to be as
gentle as I can, but if Knowlton got upset with DC
Dave for what he said, he’s certainly going to be
upset with me no matter how polite I try to be. But
I’m always careful not to sound too anti-Jewish at
speaking events like this because there are usually a
few Jews in the audience.

I plan to ask questions about Israeli involvement in
JFK's assassination, and if Knowlton gets upset, I’m
sorry but it’s not really my problem.

Turley:
Yeah, I know what you mean. But anything you can do.

Salvador:
Okay.

------

I wish to label the testimony presented herein as
Exhibit D.

Salvador

* In the end, I didn’t go to Groden’s lecture because
I got caught in traffic and was late meeting Turley
and DC Dave at the designated meeting spot. Rather
than be late themselves, they left me behind. As it
turned out, Knowlton did not attend either. At least
that’s what I was told.


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Communiqué # 78: From Slade Farney to Salvador, September 24, 2002

Synopsis: Slade wonders if Patrick Knowlton is Jewish based on his reaction to DC Dave's remarks about Jews (see Exhibit D). Slade also states that, based on the timing, the death of Foster "may have been a message for the Oslo committee as much as for the Clintons."

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[Salvador wrote:]
> Readers,
> 
> Many thanks to the participants who shared their
> thoughts about Patrick Knowlton’s version of events on
> July 20, 1993, and criticisms therein.
> 
> I believe both sides have been heard fairly and
> completely, although there doesn’t seem to be much
> question that Knowlton’s story is highly suspicious.
> Not much needs can be added at this point.
> 
> Having stated that, I wish to shift to another topic:
> Israel's involvement in Vince Foster's murder.
> 
> This is an important topic because showing Israeli
> involvement helps establish motive--that Vince Foster
> was killed by Zionist fanatics in order to thwart the
> Oslo Accords.
> 
> Of course discussing Israel means occasionally
> broaching the taboo topic of "Jews."
> 
> For some reason, Western societies do not allow that
> topic to be discussed in polite company. 

There may be an accidental reversal of terms, here: Perhaps
you meant to say that when the topic of Israel and Jews is
introduced, the company ceases to be polite. E.g., Knowlton
abruptly left the table and the restaurant when DC Dave
acknowledged that the agenda-correct vote in 1992 was Clinton. 
We have yet to learn whether Knowlton paid the bill for the
table on the way out, but the narrative suggests Turley and
DCDave were stuck with it.

Could this have been Knowlton's statement? I'm a Jew, too,
and you are goyim, so I'm sticking you with the bill.

By Lloyd's of London's actuarial tables, broaching the tomb
of Tutankhamun has proved safer for longer life and health
[than] agenda-incorrect remarks (or activities) vis-a-vis Israel.
It has [been] considered for Life Insurance applications forms
(viz.: "Do you advocate any national or political policy not
endorsed by the Knesset?"). But the unfortunate actuarial who
suggested it committed suicide before the issue was decided,
and no one has pushed the suggestion since then.

From what I understand of the timing, the death of Foster may
have been a message for the Oslo committee as much as for the
Clintons.

--Slade

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Communiqué # 79: From Salvador to Slade Farney, September 24, 2002

Synopsis: Salvador asks Jerry Russell (the de facto emissary for DC Dave, Hugh Turley, and John Clarke) if Patrick Knowlton is Jewish. Salvador tells Slade that if Israel's Likud fanatics were trying to send a message to the Oslo committee, apparently no one received it. He lists other people who died that might be associated with the Oslo Accords. Besides Foster, the names include Johan Holst, Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs  (Holst was the driving force behind the Accords); Jerry Parks, security executive for the Clintons who handled sensitive assignments (and was given instructions by Foster); and Yitzhak Rabin.

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:44:31 -0700 (PDT)
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[Salvador wrote:]
> > Readers,
> >
> > Many thanks to the participants who shared their
> > thoughts about Patrick Knowlton’s version of
> > events on July 20, 1993, and criticisms therein.
> >
> > I believe both sides have been heard fairly and
> > completely, although there doesn’t seem to be much
> > question that Knowlton’s story is highly
> > suspicious.
> >
> > Not much needs can be added at this point.
> >
> > Having stated that, I wish to shift to another
> > topic: Israel's involvement in Vince Foster's
> > murder.
> >
> > This is an important topic because showing Israeli
> > involvement helps establish motive—that Vince
> > Foster was killed by Zionist fanatics in order to
> > thwart the Oslo Accords.
> >
> > Of course discussing Israel means occasionally
> > broaching the taboo topic of "Jews."
> >
> > For some reason, Western societies do not allow
> > that topic to be discussed in polite company.

[Slade Farney replied:]
> There may be an accidental reversal of terms, here:
> Perhaps you meant to say that when the topic of
> Israel and Jews is introduced, the company ceases to
> be polite.

Good point. :-)

> E.g., Knowlton abruptly left the table and the
> restaurant when DC Dave acknowledged that the
> agenda-correct vote in 1992 was Clinton. We
> have yet to learn whether Knowlton paid the bill for
> the table on the way out, but the narrative suggests
> Turley and DCDave were stuck with it.

It seems that way, but I don't recall Turley telling
me one way or the other who paid the tab.

By the way, DC Dave later confirmed that this incident
occurred the way Turley described. DC emphasized
Knowlton's angry words: "This conversation is over!"

> Could this have been Knowlton's statement? I'm a
> Jew, too, and you are goyim, so I'm sticking you
> with the bill.

I listened to Knowlton's voice message again (the
threatening message he left at my home and work
numbers around August 19th) and he sounds like a "New
York Jew." (Sorry, political correctness just got
flushed down the toilet.)

Of course we cannot make such determinations by one's
accent, but that combined with his behavior at the
lucheon has all the earmarks.

The luncheon incident indicates that Knowlton is
extremely sensitive about the topic of Jews, moreso
than one would expect simply because someone subtly
zinged his girlfriend for being Jewish. And she wasn't
even at the luncheon, so it wasn't a matter of a macho
man defending his woman's honor.

Perhaps Jerry Russell can answer this question.

JERRY!

Is Patrick Knowlton Jewish?

> By Lloyd's of London's actuarial tables, broaching
> the tomb of Tutankhamun has proved safer for longer
> life and health [than] agenda-incorrect remarks
> (or activities) vis-a-vis Israel. It has [been]
> considered for Life Insurance applications forms
> (viz.: "Do you advocate any national or political
> policy not endorsed by the Knesset?"). But the
> unfortunate actuarial who suggested it committed
> suicide before the issue was decided, and no one has
> pushed the suggestion since then.
>
> From what I understand of the timing, the death of
> Foster may have been a message for the Oslo
> committee as much as for the Clintons.

It might have been a message to both the Clintons and
the Oslo committee, but apparently no one understood
it. Everyone pushed ahead anyway.

Four months after the Accords were announced, the guy
who set them up woke up cold. His name was Johan
Holst, former Minister of Foreign Affairs in Norway.
He died in his home of a "heart attack."

About [two months] after Foster's death, Jerry Parks
was gunned down as well. Parks was head of security
for the Clintons. He took most of his instructions from
Foster.

[NOTE: Abrose Evans-Pritchard described Parks' role
with the Clintons as follows: "...Jerry Parks had
carried out sensitive assignments for the Clinton
circle for almost a decade, and the person who gave
him instructions was Vince Foster." From "The Secret
Life of Bill Clinton, p 245.]

Then in November 1995, Yitzhak Rabin was gunned down
in an apparent coup sponsored by Likud fanatics like
Sharon. Rabin was on the verge of implementing the
Oslo Accords (which meant giving land back to the
Palestinians) when he was killed.

Also, Rabin belonged to Israel's Labour party which is
much more moderate than Likud.

Likud's roots are linked to the terrorist Zionist
organization, Irgun; the group that blew up the King
David Hotel in the 40s, killing about 100 people. The
head of Irgun was [Menachem] Begin.

Funny, Timothy McVeigh and Begin were birds of a
feather. The only difference is, in America, we
execute "convicted" terrorists.* In Israel, they're
promoted to Prime Minister. :-)

Salvador

* Please note that although I labeled McVeigh a
"convicted" terrorist, I do not believe he acted
alone, or was anything more than a patsy of sorts in
the Oklahoma City Bombing.

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Communiqué # 80: From Carol Valentine to Salvador, September 24, 2002

Synopsis: Carol states that Knowlton's defensive behavior toward Jews and Israel is a red flag. (see Exhibit D) She says Knowlton does not sound like an American who loves America, he sounds like a Zionist who loves Israel first, last, and always. She cites another Jew, the late Benjamin Freedman, as a courageous American patriot because he broke ranks with organized Jewry after World War II. Carol says Knowlton sounds like a Zionist fanatic, like a person who might knock off Vince Foster had Foster been trying to effect the Oslo Accords.

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:17:45 -0400
To: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
From: "Carol A. Valentine" <skywriter@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Patrick Knowlton's Jewish Girlfriend


>At this time I wish to share a personal experience
>with readers about Patrick Knowltonís girlfriend, who
>is Jewish.
>
>The incident is highly relevant not merely because
>Knowlton's girlfriend is Jewish, but because it
>establishes Patrick Knowlton as someone who
>aggressively obstructs conversation about Jews, the
>Jewish culture, Jewish political interests, and
>ultimately, the Jewish State.

This is a red flag. Knowlton does not sound like an American who
loves America, he sounds like a Zionist who loves Israel first, last,
and always. It's not a question of being "Jewish." Plenty of
American "Christians" are also traitors who love Israel first, last,
and always.

Benjamin Freedman was an American patriot who broke ranks with
International Jewry. Salvador, you describe him this way in Chapter
13 of "Opium Lords." Some of Freedman's remarks can be found here:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/freedman.htm

In 1961, at the Willard Hotel in Washington, DC, Benjamin Freedman
said:

". . . here in the United States, the Zionists and their
co-religionists have complete control of our government . . . the
Zionists and their co-religionists rule this United States as though
they were the absolute monarchs of this country."

If a Jew could speak openly about this truth, why does Knowlton pee
his pants when the subject is brought up? This story about Knowlton
and his "Jewish" sensitivities smells like old urine.

Knowlton is a patriot all right. He's a patriot of the Nation of
Zion. Knowlton sounds like a Zionist fanatic, like a person who
might knock off Vince Foster had Foster been trying to effect the
Oslo Accords.

Your hypothesis about Vince Foster's death makes more and more sense,
Salvador.

[Omitted original email to which Valentine responded. To read complete

email, see Exhibit D.]

--
Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
http://www.Public-Action.com

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Communiqué # 81: From Salvador to Forum, September 24, 2002

Synopsis: Salvador shifts the topic to Ambrose Evans-Pritchard and his possible participation in a cover-up via his Jewish boss, Conrad Black who owns the Jerusalem Post and the London Sunday/Daily Telegraph. (Evans-Pritchard works for the latter.)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard’s Jewish/Israel Bias
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September 24, 2002

Thanks to those participants who shared their
thoughtful comments about Patrick Knowlton’s Jewish
girlfriend and his apparent loyalty to Israel.

Now it’s time to move to another topic that also
points to Israel’s involvement in Foster’s death and
the ensuing cover-up.

The topic is British journalist Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard.

Mr. Evans-Pritchard played an integral role in the
testimony of Patrick Knowlton. In fact, Evans-Prichard
wrote in his book, "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton,"
that he helped guard Knowlton’s apartment from people
who were harassing Knowlton at the behest of the US
Government.

Around the time of Knowlton’s alleged harassment, the
Cambridge-educated Evans-Prichard was the Washington
bureau chief for the Sunday Telegraph, a London
newspaper. The Sunday Telegraph is owned by Conrad
Black, a Jewish mogul who also owns the Jerusalem
Post. This creates a conflict of interest which
guarantees that Evans-Prichard will never investigate
Israel as a possible sponsor of Foster’s murder even
though Jews are involved in every aspect of the case.

Please express your thoughts on this matter.

Participants are instructed to limit their comments to
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Conrad Black, and how Black’s
Jewish/Israeli ties impact Evans-Pritchard’s
journalistic integrity.

Regards,

Salvador


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Communiqué # 82: From Salvador to Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, September 24, 2002

Synopsis: Salvador asks Ambrose Evans-Pritchard if he still believes Patrick Knowlton's story. Salvador also asks Evans-Prichard to comment on the conflict of interest created by Conrad Black's ownership of the Sunday/Daily Telegraph plus the Jerusalem Post.

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Question for Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
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[Please forward this email to Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard.]

September 24, 2002

Dear Ambrose Evans-Pritchard,

Recently I began facilitating an Internet discussion
forum about Vince Foster and I used your book, "The
Secret Life of Bill Clinton," as a primary source for
various aspects of the Foster case, particularly
Patrick Knowlton’s version of events.

To view the forum, click here:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

In your book, you were one of Patrick Knowlton’s
biggest advocates.

Do you still believe his story?

If so, you may want to look at some of my criticisms.

To view them, click here:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_discussion_pt2.htm#Comm72

It occurred to me that your newspaper, the Telegraph,
is owned by Conrad Black, a gentlemen of Jewish
heritage who also owns the Jerusalem Post.

If you have the time, I would appreciate your comments
regarding any impact this might have had on the
content of your book?

For example, it seems highly plausible that you might
have been advised not to write about certain things if
you wished to continue your career as a distinguished
journalist.

Be advised that this email has already been made
public, and any response sent by you shall also be
made public forthwith.

Regards,

Salvador Astucia, USA


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Communiqué # 83: [Exhibit E] From Salvador to Forum, September 25, 2002

Synopsis: Salvador introduces the topic of Roger Aronoff, Reed Irvine's Jewish lieutenant at Accuracy in Media (AIM). Salvador points out that Aronoff was once a columnist for the Jewish Herald Voice. Salvador marks this communiqué/email as Exhibit E. He also marks the following exhibits:

* Exhibit F, Michael Collins Piper’s description of AIM’s Israeli connection. (excerpt from Piper’s book, “Final Judgment”)
 

* Exhibit G, Reed Irvine’s email where he acknowledges that (a), AIM paid Foster researcher Hugh Turley about $1,600 for multiple lectures, and (b), AIM paid some of Patrick Knowlton’s legal expenses in his harassment suit against the US Government. In the same email, Irvine indicated that he was a staunch defender of Israel when he attacked critics of Israel, calling them anti-Semitic.

Salvador instructs forum participants to comment on any of the topics already raised about Israeli links to the Foster case. So far, topics include (a) Patrick Knowlton’s Jewish girlfriend, (b) Ambrose Evans-Pritchard’s Jewish/Israeli biases, and (c) Roger Aronoff, a principal figure at Accuracy in Media (AIM).

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Israeli Link # 3: Roger Aronoff, a principal figure at
Accuracy in Media
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September 25, 2002

I want to stay on the overall topic of Israel's
involvement in the Foster case, but I wish to shift
the discussion to Roger Aronoff, one of the principal
figures at Accuracy in Media (AIM).

Mr. Aronoff is, of course, Jewish. Among other
accomplishments, he was a columnist for the Jewish
Herald Voice. Now he is one of Reed Irvine’s top
lieutenants at AIM.

Previously I discussed Accuracy in Media (AIM) and its
reported Israeli connections (per Michael Collins
Piper). Surprisingly, AIM’s president public revealed
that (a), AIM had paid Foster researcher Hugh Turley
about $1,600 to give several lectures, and (b), AIM
had paid some of Patrick Knowlton’s legal expenses in
his harassment suit against the US Government.

It is most revealing that so much AIM money has found
its way to key players in the Foster case. Even more
interesting, one of the top people at AIM (Roger
Aronoff) is not only Jewish, but was a columnist for
major Jewish journal.

AIM’s website, http://www.aim.org/ , has the following
write-up about Mr. Aronoff as of today (September 25,
2002):

----quote on----
Roger Aronoff, Media Analyst and Documentary Producer,
joined AIM in May of 1997 and has produced and written
video documentaries for AIM that include The Clinton
Legacy and TWA 800: The Search for the Truth, which
won the top prize in investigative journalism at the
2002 WorldFest, the prestigious Houston International
Film Festival. Other productions for AIM have included
AIM's 30 Year War, a musical essay looking at the life
and times of AIM, and Every Quarter Century, a tribute
to AIM and its chairman, Reed Irvine. In addition
Aronoff has produced live shows and news magazines for
other organizations, including Judicial Watch and the
Free Congress Foundation. A University of Texas
graduate with a B.A. in History, Mr. Aronoff has
worked as a freelance journalist in South Africa, a
columnist for the Jewish Herald Voice, and as a
producer of syndicated radio and TV musical/variety
programs.
(Tel: 202 364 4401 ext. 109)
----quote off----

I wish to label this email Exhibit E.

I also wish to assign the evidence to two more
exhibits as described below:

* Exhibit F, Michael Collins Piper’s description of
AIM’s Israeli connection. (excerpt from Piper’s book,
“Final Judgment”)

* Exhibit G, Reed Irvine’s email where he
acknowledges that (a), AIM paid Foster researcher Hugh
Turley about $1,600 for multiple lectures, and (b),
AIM paid some of Patrick Knowlton’s legal expenses
in his harassment suit against the US Government.
In the same email, Irvine indicated that he was a
staunch defender of Israel when he attacked critics
of Israel, calling them anti-Semitic.

Regards,

Salvador


INSTRUCTIONS TO PARTICIPANTS:
Participants are free to comment on any of the topics
already raised about Israeli links to the Foster case.
So far, topics include (a) Patrick Knowlton’s Jewish
girlfriend, (b) Ambrose Evans-Pritchard’s
Jewish/Israeli biases, and (c) Roger Aronoff, a
principal figure at Accuracy in Media (AIM). I will
place comments in the appropriate category on the
Foster-Oslo webpage.


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Communiqué # 84: From Carol Valentine to Salvador, September 25, 2002

Synopsis: Carol explains how Roger Aranoff gave AIM's endorsement to the documentary, "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" (WTROE), directed by William Gazecki. Carol calls WTROE a "fake Waco protest flick." She identifies several Jewish individuals behind the making and financing of WTROE. She remarks that Aranoff's endorsement of WTROE demonstrates how "AIM is in tight with the Zionist forward scouts."

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:04:31 -0400
To: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
From: "Carol A. Valentine" <skywriter@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Israeli Link # 3: Roger Aronoff, a principal figure at
Accuracy in Media


[Salvador wrote:]

>September 25, 2002
 

[... To read the full text of Salvador's message about

Roger Aronoff, see Communiqué # 83.]

>I want to stay on the overall topic of Israel's
>involvement in the Foster case, but I wish to shift
>the discussion to Roger Aronoff, one of the principal
>figures at Accuracy in Media (AIM).
>
>Mr. Aronoff is, of course, Jewish. Among other
>accomplishments, he was a columnist for the Jewish
>Herald Voice. Now he is one of Reed Irvineís top
>lieutenants at AIM.
>
> [...]


Roger Aranoff was present at an AIM luncheon held some years ago in
downtown Washington DC. The guest of honor was William Gazecki,
director of the fake Waco protest flick, "Waco: The Rules of
Engagement." ("WTROE")

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/doc/wtroe.html

At the AIM function, Gazeki was introduced as a person friend of Roger
Aranoff.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle of March 3, 1997 ("Making
the Case for Waco Film"), Wm. Gazecki persuaded Dan Gifford and Amy
Sommer-Gifford (Amy for sure is a Jew) to put up money and make WTROE.

For a long time, the Gifford's WTROE webpage had a direct link to
the Simon Wiesenthal Center. In fact, the Simon Wiesenhtal Center's
"Museum of Tolerance" was one of the very first to show this piece of
fake protest/damage control.

Why do we see Jews in the front line performing damage control on
Waco? Well, it would appear the attack was made on David Koresh (at
least in part) because he was teaching Islamic prophecies, and
teaching that the existence of the state of Israel was not necessary
for fulfillment of Biblical prophecies.
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_kce.html

Koresh was undercutting Israel's hold over the moronic Zionist
Christians in the US.

So we see, from another perspective, that AIM is in tight with the
Zionist forward scouts.
--
Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
http://www.Public-Action.com

[Omitted rest of signature line.]

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Communiqué # 85: From Carol Valentine to Salvador, September 25, 2002

Synopsis: Carol says Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is a fake. She directs readers to an article she wrote about him in 1997 which reveals how he was less than truthful about Waco exposés that he wrote for the London Telegraph.

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:04:56 -0400
To: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
From: "Carol A. Valentine" <skywriter@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Ambrose Evans-Pritchardís Jewish/Israel Bias

[Salvador wrote:]

>September 24, 2002
>
> [...]

[... To read the full text of Salvador's message about

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, see Communiqué # 81.]

>Around the time of Knowlton's alleged harassment, the
>Cambridge-educated Evans-Prichard was the Washington
>bureau chief for the Sunday Telegraph, a London
>newspaper. The Sunday Telegraph is owned by Conrad
>Black, a Jewish mogul who also owns the Jerusalem
>Post. This creates a conflict of interest which
>guarantees that Evans-Prichard will never investigate
>Israel as a possible sponsor of Fosterís murder even
>though Jews are involved in every aspect of the case.
>
> [...]

I can throw light on Ambrose Evans-Pritchard. He's a fake.

He pretended to be writing exposés on Waco for the London Sunday
Telegraph -- but, instead, he was just playing Maxwell Smart. "Hmm .
. . I see you don't believe that version of the story . . . would you
believe this version?"

For a while I believed Ambrose was honest. This tells the story of
how I discovered the truth.

====
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard--J'Accuse!
by Carol A. Valentine" <SkyWriter@Public-Action.com>
March 15, 1997

***

"Your Majesty, the people are crying out for truth."

"Let them have half-truths . . ."

***
On March 9, 1997 Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the London Sunday
Telegraph wrote a piece "Did FBI shoot in cold blood at Waco?" In
the piece, Ambrose promotes the new Waco flick, "Waco: The Rules of
Engagement." No one would argue that some Branch Davidians were
murdered on April 19, 1993. But let's look at Mr. Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard (just plain "Ambrose" to Internet denizens) for a
moment.

Ambrose claims to have a long-standing interest in exposing the
truth about what happened at Waco. I have worked with him for a
number of years, furnishing him from time to time with information.
He is a charming fellow.

On one occasion, Ambrose relied on me for leads concerning Kiri
Jewel's testimony during the 1995 House Waco hearings. The result
was his piece "Sloppy Right lets Clinton off the hook," London
Sunday Telegraph July 23, 1995, in which Ambrose challenged the
veracity of Kiri's testimony.

I live in the Washington, D.C. area, home of the CIA, FBI, the
Pentagon, NSA, foreign embassies, and the international press corps.
This area is loaded with spooks and poseurs of every size and shape.
Here the question is not "Is Joe Blow an agent?" but "Who does he
work for?" (which agency).

And a number of savvy people in this town have been telling me for
years that Ambrose Evans-Pritchard is British military intelligence.
The evaluations I heard were made without rancor (some even with
benign amusement) just as a Southerner might describe a neighbor as
an employee of Southern Bell. My policy on Ambrose was this: As
long as Ambrose helped expose the lies surrounding Waco, I would
help him, and regard him as an ally.

Now I see Ambrose as part of the Waco cover up, and I come forward.
"J'Accuse!" I say, to borrow a headline from one of Ambrose's own
London Sunday Telegraph articles.

Let's look at the history:

In November, 1996, I had a lengthy conversation with Ambrose
concerning the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum. I gave Ambrose the
Museum's website address:

http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum

and summarized the contents of the site for his convenience. On the
subject of the deaths of the mothers and children, I gave him this
information:

* The story concerning their deaths is phoney

* The structure in which their bodies were found did not collapse

* The bodies of the mothers and children were mutilated --
dismembered, burned, pulped-- in order to disguise the real time,
cause, and manner of death

* "Body laundering" is the practice of mutilating bodies to
disguise the real time, cause, and circumstances of death

* Body laundering is practiced by the Special Operations Command of
the Pentagon to disguise the circumstances of those killed while
serving in Pentagon/CIA black bag jobs

* Special Operations flew the black helicopters on February 28,
1993 and strafed the Mt. Carmel Center

* Contemporaneous reports stated "a child" or "children" were
killed on February 28

* The state of decomposition of the corpses provides clear evidence
the victims died at different times

* The state of decomposition provides clear evidence that at least
some died long before the April 19, 1993 gas attack.

I referred him to the official Autopsy Reports and the research of
world-class forensic anthropologists, both of which can be found in
the Death Gallery of the Museum. I told him he had access to the
original source material I used--just at the flip of the switch on
his computer.

To my surprise, Ambrose became argumentative. He said the notion
that some of the April 19 victims were dead before April 19 was at
variance with what the Branch Davidian survivors said--was I calling
them liars?

I explained a few simple truths:

1) The government admitted to having plants living among the Branch
Davidians, and has still not released the identities of the plants;

2) the surviving Branch Davidians are surely people under
duress--their families have been tortured and murdered, their
colleagues are still in jail and at the mercy of the US.

Arguably there were many ways the feds could blackmail or intimidate
the Branch Davidians. I asked Ambrose if he had seen a Chicago
Tribune article of April 21, 1993, which was based on an interview
with the ex-wife of the present Branch Davidian leader Clive Doyle.
The former Mrs. Doyle, who had lived in Waco for years, said that
the Doyle grandchildren were in the Mt. Carmel Center during the
siege. Ultimately no Doyle grandchildren were listed among the dead
after April 19. Provided the former Mrs. Doyle was not lying or
mistaken about having grandchildren, the ramifications might be
obvious to an independent observer: The lives of the youngsters are
perhaps being used as bargaining chips by the FBI. "Liar" would not
describe a person who succumbed to such intimidation.

An investigator would at least entertain the possibility that the
Tribune report might be factual and worth follow-up investigation.
But Ambrose instantly dismissed it--out of hand--as erroneous. "Why
would you believe the Chicago Tribune and not Clive Doyle?" he
asked me.

On the other hand, why would Ambrose leap to the conclusion that
another newspaper had necessarily done a shoddy reporting job, or
that Mrs. Doyle was lying or mistaken about having grandchildren?
The Chicago Tribune report of grandchildren certainly did not
discredit the Davidians or hold them up to ridicule; if the Chicago
Tribune report had been accurate, and the children used as
bargaining chips, obviously Clive Doyle could not admit to having
grandchildren.

With the incurious and brusque dismissal of that report, it seemed
to me Ambrose had clearly stepped out of his role as a reporter and
revealed himself as a partisan.

During this conversation, Ambrose asked several times if I knew who
had perpetrated the crimes of April 19, 1993. He seemed concerned.
No, I did not say "the 'butcher-and-bolt' British commandos helped
kill them," even though we are aware that the British were
accessories to the torture of the Branch Davidians. Recall the SAS
spy plane over the Mt. Carmel Center, reported by the London Times
on March 21, 1993?

AMBROSE THEN TOLD ME THAT HE COULD NOT USE THE MUSEUM'S INFORMATION
BECAUSE HIS EDITORS THOUGHT HE HAD DONE ENOUGH ON WACO ALREADY.

At a later date Ambrose called me, this time to ask questions
concerning Livingstone Fagan. His editors wanted Fagan's treatment
in prison covered because Fagan was British, he said. [Note:
Ambrose later told me he found out Livingstone Fagan was Jamaican.]
On that occasion, I again suggested Ambrose cover the evidence
contained in the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum for his paper.

AGAIN AMBROSE DECLINED, SAYING HIS EDITOR ONLY AGREED TO COVER
LIVINGSTONE BECAUSE LIVINGSTONE WAS BRITISH. Otherwise, the London
readers would have no interest in Waco.

When I got off the phone, I wondered why the London Telegraph
editors were not interested in the other British citizens who died
in the Holocaust. Surely the scandalous cover-up and body
laundering documented in the Museum would be of interest to British
readership--after all, the Death Certificates issued the British
victims were arguably false! Honestly reported, the US cover-up and
murder of British citizens could cause international repercussions.
Surely this was news worthy.

On March 4, 1997, before Ambrose traveled to the West Coast to see
"Waco: The Rules of Engagement," he called me to ask if I had seen
the flick. I said no, but I had visited the film's webpage, and
read the synopsis of the film. I pointed out to Ambrose:

* The flick apparently forwards the lie that the February 28, 1993
raid was a bungled law enforcement action, despite abundant evidence
that the raid was a domestic Gulf of Tonkin incident, set up to
provide an excuse for military escalation. I again referred Ambrose
to the publicly available evidence in the Museum.

* The flick apparently makes no mention that at least some of the
Branch Davidians whose remains were found in the concrete room were
long dead by April 19, 1993 and that the bodies had been laundered
to disguise the real time, cause, and circumstance of death.

But Ambrose said he still was not interested in covering this
evidence contained in the Museum for his London readers. Why?

THIS TIME AMBROSE SAID THE IDEA THAT THE BRANCH DAVIDIANS WERE
DELIBERATELY MURDERED WAS TOO MUCH FOR MOST PEOPLE TO ACCEPT,
INCLUDING HIS EDITORS. Most people still believed that the
Davidians set themselves on fire, and people had to be brought up to
the truth slowly, he said.

Let's apply Ambrose's logic to another atrocity: First you tell the
world that 100 Jews were killed in the German Holocaust. When that
is accepted, you change the number to 200. On and on, up until you
hit the six million mark. Does the logic make sense? If not, why
apply it to the Davidians?

I told Ambrose that people should be directed to the evidence,
including his editors. Ambrose intimated his editors were too
delicate psychologically to deal with the news directly, and had to
be brought up to the truth over a matter of time. I told Ambrose his
editors sounded like cot cases, and Ambrose defended them, saying
all editors were cot cases.

"They are newspeople. They deal in news," he explained.

Ambrose said that he was going to write a story about "Waco: The
Rules of Engagement," to illustrate the "changing perceptions" about
Waco.

"Changing perceptions?" Since when do newspapers chronicle
"changing perceptions?" Perceptions are based on information.
Newspapers used to be the source of INFORMATION. If perceptions are
based on newspaper reports, and newspaper reports cover only
"perceptions," what kind of an information system do we have?

Exactly. Not an information system at all. It is a PsyOps operation,
and Ambrose is right in the middle of it.

Consider: Ambrose's employers were willing to fly him across the
continent, pay for airfare, lodgings, meals--all to have an article
about "perceptions." Meanwhile, Ambrose's employers are
uninterested in an article about cold factual evidence which would
have cost them virtually nothing, evidence which had been available
to them for months.

Consider: Ambrose is UNwilling to report evidence of murder as
documented in the Museum, but is willing to report "changing
perceptions" about the murder which the film portrays. Why is
"murder" verboten in one case, but not in the other?

I asked Ambrose if he had read the Museum yet, and he allowed he'd
popped in quickly, but had not really read it closely because he had
not written anything about Waco since. Yet here he was getting
ready to go on a plane to do . . . an article on Waco.

Ambrose has developed the non sequitur to high art form.

Since the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum was posted on the World
Wide Web, many thousands of people around the world have read it
and downloaded the material to their own computers. Surely this is
evidence of changing perceptions? No matter. Apparently the London
Sunday Telegraph wants London readers to hear about movie-generated
changing perceptions but not Internet-generated changing
perceptions.

In this March 4 conversation Ambrose called the new flick "damning."
Considering that Ambrose had not seen the movie yet, it sounded like
he had the story already drafted before he got on the plane.

Folks, I think what is going on is this:

* The powers-that-be don't want to publicize the fact that the
February 28, 1993 raid was a set-up, a phoney, a domestic Gulf of
Tonkin incident, courtesy of the US military looking to secure a
broadened role for itself in civilian US life.

* The powers-that-be don't want to publicize the fact that some of
the mothers and children were long dead by the April 19, 1993 gas
attack. They don't want us to know the real time, cause, and
circumstances of death of the victims.

* If public attention is diverted to the murder of adult Davidians,
people will forget about the murders of the mothers and children.
The adults, remember, are accused of shooting at the agents, and as
active combatants, do not hold the same victim status as
three-dozen-odd mothers and children and babies.

* The British are in it up to their ears, much like The London
Times reported, and much like Linda Thompson and George Zimmerlee
have been reporting. Kiri Jewel's statements did not impact on the
interests of the British government. Ambrose's article on her
testimony made him an opinion leader on Waco, at no expense to the
British. But the nature of the military involvement in the initial
attack and the dates of the mothers and children's deaths are
British sensitivities. That's why they can't be reported and
attention must be taken off that information and placed elsewhere.
And that's where Ambrose comes in.

Next time you speak to Ambrose, he may tell you I have
mischaracterized our conversations. In response, just challenge him
to tell his British readers about the Waco Holocaust Electronic
Museum and give them its website address. See what he says.

If he agrees to do the story and actually does one, I will eat these
words. Until then: "J'Accuse!"
--
Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
http://www.Public-Action.com

[Omitted rest of signature line.]

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Communiqué # 86: [Exhibit H] From Salvador to Forum, September 26, 2002

Synopsis: Salvador introduces another link to Israel in the Foster case: the media. He points out that a small group of Jewish journalists pushed the cover story that Foster was depressed, thereby providing an official explanation for why Foster took his life. Salvador quotes an excerpt from Opium Lords that identifies the Jewish individuals involved. Salvador tags this email as Exhibit H. He instructs participants to continue sending comments on all topics presented thus far that link Israel to the crime.

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Israeli Link # 4: Jewish journalists reported false claim
that Foster was depressed.
To: sfarney@bigfoot.com, chetlyle@bigfoot.com, sfarney2@erols.com,
sfarney@web2mail.com, jerry@regena.com, skywriter@public-action.com,
skywriter@erols.com, x98@earthlink.net


September 26, 2002

The Government’s explanation for why Foster allegedly
took his life is because he suffered from depression;
however, no evidence exists to support this claim. It
was a cover story propagated by a small group of
Jewish journalists.

Here is an excerpt from Opium Lords that describes the
specifics:

----quote on----
Media Cover Story: Foster Was Depressed

The role of Jewish journalists in covering up
important facts about Foster’s death cannot be
understated. The following Jewish journalists and
authors flooded the printed media with articles
supporting the cover story that Foster was depressed,
something that is completely unsubstantiated:

* Michael Isikoff - Washington Post reporter who first
revealed the existence of a suicide note containing
names of psychiatrists; however, the story changed
without explanation. Isikoff also wrote that police
were turned away from the Foster house, a lie.

* Walter Pincus - Washington Post CIA beat reporter.
Pincus acknowledged knowing Foster personally and was
the first to write that he had noticed Foster out of
sorts emotionally, without actually saying
"depressed." This gave the public the clear impression
that Foster was depressed.

* Sidney Blumenthal - Wrote a New Yorker article
making the case of Foster's depression. The New Yorker
was the first national magazine to aggressively claim
that Foster suffered from depression. Blumenthal was
the first to write that Foster had lost 15 pounds,
though he gave no source for that information. In
reality, Foster had actually gained weight since
arriving in Washington.

* Frank Rich - New York Times columnist who was the
first to lay out the psychological theory of excessive
perfectionism as cause of suicide.

Other Jewish journalists propagated misleading
information about the Foster case. An example is Chris
Ruddy, a former writer for the New York Post. Although
he has never admitted it, Ruddy is almost certainly
Jewish. He attended Hebrew University and has been
heavily praised by Rabbi Morton Pomerantz. "The Jewish
people have survived because we believe in truth and
courage and we respect tenacity. David is our hero,
not Goliath. [Chris] Ruddy has lived up to that
ideal," (Rabbi Morton Pomerantz, from Journalist Who
Dealt With Holocaust Survivors Takes on Vincent Foster
and Mike Wallace; The Jewish Voice and Opinion, Vol.
9, No. 4, December 1995). Ruddy pretends to be a
critic of Clinton White House and the official version
of the Foster case, but his criticism is fumbling and
half-hearted.

A second example is Mike Wallace who interviewed Ruddy
on 60 Minutes (CBS) on October 8, 1995 about the
Foster case. Wallace created the impression that
Ruddy’s investigation of the Foster case was shoddy.
By tainting Ruddy’s credibility, Wallace suggested
that the notion of murder was out of the question.
----quote off----

(Astucia, Opium Lords, pp 315-316)

SOURCE: The list of journalists came from David
Martin’s paper, America’s Dreyfus Affair: The Case of
the Death of Vince Foster.
(http://www.thebird.org/host/dcdave/) The journalists
wrote erroneous stories indicating that Foster was
depressed when there was no evidence offered to
substantiate the charge.
----

I wish to mark this email as Exhibit H.

Participants may continue discussing all four topics
introduced so far that link Israel to Foster’s death.

Again, please keep your comments about each topic in a
separate email.

Thanks.

Salvador


=====
Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords" (416 pages), the book that
solved the JFK murder.

* View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

* or purchase book for $29 in USA, $34 worldwide (includes shipping).
See ordering info. at http://www.jfkmontreal.com/order_hardcopy.htm

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Communiqué # 87: [Exhibit I] From Salvador to Forum, September 30, 2002
 

Synopsis: Salvador identifies other prominent Jews who played critical roles in the Foster case. They include Nathan Landow, William Styron, Bernard Nussbaum, and Susan Thomases.  Salvador marks his comments as Exhibit I.
 

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:59:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Israeli Link # 5: Other prominent Jews involved in Foster case
To: sfarney@bigfoot.com, chetlyle@bigfoot.com, sfarney2@erols.com, sfarney@web2mail.com, jerry@regena.com, skywriter@public-action.com, skywriter@erols.com


September 30, 2002

Besides Jewish journals, other Jews played critical
roles in the Foster case.

Here is an excerpt from Opium Lords that describes the
specifics:

---quote on---
Other prominent Jews were entangled in the Foster case
as well. They included the following:

* Nathan Landow - Foster spent the last weekend of his
life meeting with Webb Hubbell and Landow on latter's
estate. Landow was Al Gore's leading financial backer
when he first ran for president. Landow is a major
political contributor and has been linked to both the
Gambino family and the Meyer Lansky organization
through joint casino investments.

* William Styron - Prominent novelist who wrote a
cover article in Newsweek concluding that Foster
killed himself from depression. His novel, Sophie's
Choice, is about the Holocaust.

* Bernard Nussbaum - Foster's boss as Chief White
House Counsel. Claimed to have emptied out briefcase
where a subordinate later turned up the torn-up
"suicide" note.

* Susan Thomases - New York lawyer and Clinton
political adviser who told writer James Stewart that
Foster confided to her he was having marital
problems.(23)

---quote off---

ENDNOTE
(23) The list of journalists came from David Martin’s
paper, America’s Dreyfus Affair: The Case of the Death
of Vince Foster. (http://www.thebird.org/host/dcdave/)
The journalists wrote erroneous stories indicating
that Foster was depressed when there was no evidence
offered to substantiate the charge.

(from Opium Lords, p 316)


I wish to mark this email as Exhibit I.

Participants may continue discussing all five topics
introduced so far that link Israel to Foster’s death.

Again, please keep your comments about each topic in a
separate email.

Regards,

Salvador

=====
Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords" (416 pages), the book that
solved the JFK murder.

* View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

* or purchase book for $29 in USA, $34 worldwide (includes shipping).
See ordering info. at http://www.jfkmontreal.com/order_hardcopy.htm

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Communiqué # 87A: From Jerry Russell to Salvador Astucia, October 1, 2002.

Synopsis: Jerry states that he believes Patrick Knowlton is Jewish, although he does not have definitive proof.
 

Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:05:41 -0700
To: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
From: "Jerry Russell" <jerry@efn.org>
Subject: Re: FROM THE MODERATOR


At 07:46 AM 10/1/02 -0700, Salvador wrote:

> In other words you want to co-opt someone else's work and take credit
> for it yourself.

I believe I give full credit to your work and a link to your page.
I hope that I also will have new insights to contribute.

> That reminds me, did you find out if Knowlton is Jewish?
>
> In one of your emails, you wrote that you were going to ask him that
> question as soon as you spoke.

I would have asked him but I did want to ask him the question about the
Saudis first. As it turned out, he only gave me time for one question
before he cut me off.

>Well?

I agree, probably he is Jewish. If his girlfriend is Jewish, it looks
like he intends to become Jewish by marriage, if nothing else.

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Communiqué # 88: [Exhibit J] From Salvador to Forum, October 3, 2002
 

Synopsis: Salvador presents evidence indicating that Ken Starr is likely a descendent of Jewish immigrants in Texas. Salvador asserts that Starr's efforts to investigate Vince Foster’s death were part of a "well orchestrated Talmudic minstrel show... merely an actor playing a part." Salvador points out that Starr's wife, Alice Mendell, is openly Jewish and their three children are Jewish by birthright. Salvador draws parallels between Starr's Judeo-Evangelical Christian background (Church of Christ) and LBJ's (Disciples of Christ/Christadelphians). Salvador marks his comments as Exhibit J.
 

Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Ken Starr’s vintage Talmudic theater
To: sfarney@bigfoot.com, chetlyle@bigfoot.com, sfarney2@erols.com,
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Participants/Readers,

I would now like to discuss another Israeli link in the Foster case: Ken Starr.

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Ken Starr’s vintage Talmudic theater

It’s no secret that former Whitewater Special Prosecutor Ken Starr’s wife is

Jewish, but there is also evidence that Starr himself is probably a descendent

of Jewish immigrants in Texas as well. Starr is quite possibly a shortened

version of Starobinsky or an altered version of Stern. And his efforts to

investigate Vince Foster’s death were part of a well orchestrated Talmudic

minstrel show. He was merely an actor playing a part.

Although Starr’s religion is overtly Christian, it is probably a cover for his true

belief which likely has more to do with Zionism than any sort of genuine religious

faith. He is a member of the Church of Christ, an evangelical sect (1) that

supports the state of Israel.

Ken Starr's wife's maiden name is Alice Mendell, a Jewish woman from

Mamaroneck, N.Y. They have three children together who are Jewish by

birthright. (2) (According to Jewish law, the child of a Jewish woman is

automatically Jewish, regardless of the father’s faith.)

Alice Mendell is related to the Starr family whose name was likely "Stern"

originally, but may have been changed to Starr after past generations

immigrated to the United States.(3) Although Mendell is related to the

Starrs, it is uncertain whether Mendell is a distant relative to her husband

or not.

Ken Starr was born July 21, 1946, in Vernon, Texas. When he was about

ten, Starr’s family moved to a house in a working-class section of San

Antonio where he grew up. (4)

In recent years, it has been revealed that San Antonio has a significant

population of Mexican Americans who are the descendants of Sephardic

Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. Many of these Hispanics practice

"crypto-Judaism," where they secretly practice many Jewish rituals but

are outwardly Christians. (5)

Before 1821, Texas was still a Spanish colony where only Catholics could

take up residence. Jews who openly acknowledged their ethnicity could not

legally live there. (6) Consequently, if Ken Starr's great grandparents, or

earlier relatives, were Jews living in Texas, they would have kept this fact

a secret or faced imprisonment or expulsion.

Regarding Ken Starr’s church, the Church of Christ, it appears to be another

half-baked synagogue with Evangelical Christian window dressing. The

Church of Christ was founded by brothers Thomas and Alexander Campbell.(7)

One of their followers, John Thomas, started another [Evangelical sect whose

members were*] called "Christadelphians."(8)

From this religious group, the Christadelphians, arose President Lyndon

Baines Johnson, the man who joined Israel and America at the hip.

LBJ’s grandfather, Sam Ealy Johnson, was a Christadelphian. (9) So was

LBJ’s great-grandmother, Priscilla Jane (Mrs. R.H.) Bunton. Her tombstone

read, "Here lies a Christadelphian, awaiting the resurrection." (10)

LBJ’s youngest aunt, Jessie Johnson Hatcher, was another Christadelphian

and ardent Zionist. In fact, "Aunt Jessie" was a member of the Zionist

Organization of America. Throughout her lifetime, Aunt Jesse impressed

upon LBJ her belief that Jews must return to Israel. (11)

In my book Opium Lords, I asserted that LBJ was likely Jewish.(12) To

clarify this point somewhat, LBJ may not have been Jewish per se, but he

was probably the descendant of Jewish immigrants who kept their Judaism

secret, instead following the Hebrew teachings of the quasi-Jewish

Christadelphians. As previously stated, it was illegal to be Jewish in Texas

until 1821. Once Judaism became legal, many crypto-Jews evidently

realized it was to their political advantage to keep their true "religion" secret.

With this in mind, recall that the Christadelphians (members of the Disciples

of Christ) were an off-shoot of The Church of Christ, Ken Starr’s church.

So it looks like Starr is another crypto-Jew just like LBJ, spawned from the

same Judeo-Christian/Zionist pond in Texas known as the [Church of

Christ/Christadelphians*]. The evidence certainly points to it. Starr grew up

in San Antonio, a hub for descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled from

Spain in 1492. Starr married a Jewish woman, Alice Mendell, and they had

three Jewish children together.

Is it any wonder that Patrick Knowlton’s contrived harassment story was

attached to Ken Starr’s Whitewater Report? (13)

The Vince Foster case was vintage Talmudic theater from the start.


NOTES:
(1) Michael Winerip, New York Times article, September
1, 1998, "KEN STARR WOULD NOT BE DENIED"
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9634/nyt090698.html

(2) ibid. A second source that Alice Mendell Starr is
Jewish came from Starr himself during a 20/20
Exclusive interview conducted by Diane Sawyer,
Wednesday, November 25, 1998.
http://www.benegesserit.com/BlackHole/sawyer.htm

(3) Alexei A. Starobinsky, "STAROBINSKY/STARR Family:
Other STAROBINSKYs not necessarily related"

http://dept-info.labri.u-bordeaux.fr/~loeb/tree/starro.html

(4) Michael Winerip, New York Times article, September
1, 1998, "KEN STARR WOULD NOT BE DENIED"
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9634/nyt090698.html

(5) David Garza, The Secret History, May 11, 2001, The
Austin Chronicle: Books,
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05-11/books_feature.html

(6) Rabbi James L. Kessler, Handbook of Texas
(online),
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/JJ/pxj1.html

(7) Encyclopedia Britannica: Christ, Church of

(8) Encyclopedia Britannica: Disciples of Christ;
Christadelphian

(9) Louis Gomolak’s dissertation, "Prologue: LBJ’s
foreign-affairs background, 1908-1948," (University of
Texas in Austin), p v

(10) ibid, p 10

(11) ibid, p 18

(12) Salvador Astucia, Opium Lords, pp 187 - 190

(13) Turley, Clarke, Knowlton, "Failure of the Public
Trust," http://www.fbicover-up.com

[NOTE: This email is marked Exhibit J.]

[* In the original article, I stated that Christadelphians were members of the Disciples of

Christ Church. This appears to be incorrect. The text has since been modified.]

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Communiqué # 89: From Jerry Russell to Salvador Astucia, October 5, 2002.

Synopsis: Jerry says Salvador has not provided evidence linking "crypto Jews" to Ken Starr's church, the Church of Christ. He says that Starr may genuinely be an evangelical Christian which means he (Starr) is a Zionist.

Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:29:21 -0700
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[...*]

It is worth noting that it has been legal to be openly Jewish in Texas
since 1821, approximately 8 generations ago. Apparently many of the
"crypto-Jews" there are hardly conscious of the jewish element in their
heritage. Also, no evidence has been presented to specifically link
the "crypto-Jews" to the Church of Christ.

The fact that Starr's family chose to associate with the Church of
Christ rather than the more unorthodox Christadelphians may indicate
that their conversion to Christianity was genuine rather than fake.

Nevertheless, it may well be the case that Starr is affiliated with the
Christian Zionist movement. This would help to make sense of his
political affiliations as well as his choice to marry a Jewish woman.

[...*]

Regards,

Jerry Russell

[* Most of Jerry Russell's email was omitted because it was poorly written,
strayed into several different topics, and was gratuitously voluminous.
The above excerpts were kept because they challenged some of Salvador's
assertions about Ken Starr's ethnicity/religion and are therefore considered
fair game for discussion.]

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Communiqué # 90: From Salvador Astucia to Jerry Russell, October 7, 2002.

Synopsis: Salvador reiterates that the Christadelphians were an offshoot from the Church of Christ. Salvador reminds Jerry that LBJ's Aunt Jesse was not only a Christadelphian, but a member of the Zionist Organization of America as well. Regarding Ken Starr's personal faith, Salvador notes that "no one knows what someone’s core beliefs are; however, the phenomenon of crypto-Jews in Texas reveals that Judaism is, in many ways, more of a political cult than a genuine religion."

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
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To: "Jerry Russell" <jerry@efn.org>

See comments.

--- Jerry Russell <jerry@efn.org> wrote:
> Also, no evidence has been presented to specifically link the
> "crypto-Jews" to the Church of Christ.

In my original article, I established a link between the Christadelphians
(Disciples of Christ) and the Church of Christ. I also demonstrated that
LBJ’s relatives were ardent Zionists. His Aunt Jessie was a member of the
Zionist Organization of America.

Here is the excerpt that covers the Church of Christ's Zionist connection.

---quote on---
The Church of Christ was founded by brothers Thomas and Alexander
Campbell.(7) One of their followers, John Thomas, started another church
called "Disciples of Christ" and its members are often called
"Christadelphians."(8)

From this religious group, the Christadelphians, arose President Lyndon
Baines Johnson, the man who joined Israel and America at the hip.

LBJ’s grandfather, Sam Ealy Johnson, was a Christadelphian. (9) So was
LBJ’s great-grandmother, Priscilla Jane (Mrs. R.H.) Bunton. Her tombstone
read, "Here lies a Christadelphian, awaiting the resurrection." (10) LBJ’s
youngest aunt, Jessie Johnson Hatcher, was another Christadelphian and
ardent Zionist. In fact, "Aunt Jessie" was a member of the Zionist
Organization of America. Throughout her lifetime, Aunt Jesse impressed
upon LBJ her belief that Jews must return to Israel. (11)
---quote off---

NOTES:
(7) Encyclopedia Britannica: Christ, Church of
(8) Encyclopedia Britannica: Disciples of Christ;
Christadelphian
(9) Louis Gomolak’s dissertation, "Prologue: LBJ’s
foreign-affairs background, 1908-1948," (University of
Texas in Austin), p v
(10) ibid, p 10
(11) ibid, p 18 (12) Salvador Astucia, Opium Lords, pp
187 - 190

> The fact that Starr's family chose to associate with the Church of
> Christ rather than the more unorthodox Christadelphians may indicate
> that their conversion to Christianity was genuine rather than fake.

No one knows what someone’s core beliefs are; however, the phenomenon of
crypto-Jews in Texas reveals that Judaism is, in many ways, more of a
political cult than a genuine religion. Starr appears to be part of that
cult regardless of his spiritual beliefs.

This assertion is reinforced by the fact that he married a Jewish woman,
had three Jewish children, and grew up in San Antonio, an area with large
pockets of crypto-Jewish Hispanics.

Salvador


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Communiqué # 91: From Jerry Russell to Salvador Astucia, October 7, 2002.

Synopsis: Jerry quibbles over details in a manner that is difficult to summarize; however, his main complaint is that Salvador has not shown absolutely that Ken Starr is the descendant of Jewish immigrants in Texas or that Starr is a crypto-Jew.

Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:15:22 -0700
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From: "Jerry Russell" <jerry@efn.org>
To: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>

Salvador,

I don't see that you've presented any evidence of any link between
the Christadelphians and the Church of Christ at any time since the
original schism occurred in 1820-something. I have not read the
details, but apparently John Thomas was angrily denounced by
Campbell because of his beliefs, which may have included the
neo-Arian contention that Jesus was not God. Thomas founded his
own church because he was thrown out by the Campbellites. It is
certainly possible that this was some sort of faked split for
purposes of hiding a Zionist plot, but you haven't proven that.

The Disciples of Christ seem to be a third denominational flavor,
although some Christadelphians also use this description.

From the evidence presented, it is also quite possible that the Johnson
family were Christadelphian and Zionist without being crypto-Jewish.

I am not meaning to quibble over details, but rather to point to
additional wellsprings of the strange link which has developed
between fundamentalist Christianity and radical Zionism.

Will you be posting my submission?

Regards,

Jerry

[Omitted redundant email.]

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Communiqué # 92: From Salvador Astucia to Jerry Russell, October 7, 2002.

Synopsis: Salvador says that Starr's "Jewishness" is a moot point because the fact that Starr is an evangelical Christian demonstrates, by definition, that he is also a Zionist. And if he is a Zionist, then he can be linked to an Israeli conspiracy in the Foster case.

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:17:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
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To: "Jerry Russell" <jerry@efn.org>

See comments.

--- Jerry Russell <jerry@efn.org> wrote:
> I don't see that you've presented any evidence of any link between the
> Christadelphians and the Church of Christ at any time since the
> original schism occurred in 1820-something.

It was not my intention to show such a link. My point is that the Church
of Christ was the original church to which John Thomas belonged. He then
left and formed the Christadelphians, a group that was fairly radical in
its Hebrew teachings. (See article below Christadelphian, Encyclopedia
Britannica)

Frankly, it is a moot point whether Ken Starr is the descendant of Jewish
immigrants in Texas. Showing that he is a Zionist is all that is needed
to link him to an Israeli conspiracy in the Foster case, and I have done
that. His church, the Church of Christ, is a Zionist evangelical
organization and his wife is Jewish, as are his three children. There can
be little doubt that he is a Zionist.

Having stated that, I have also presented a strong circumstantial
argument that Starr is in fact a descendant of Jewish immigrants in Texas.
There’s the San Antonio connection plus the Church of Christ/Christadelphian
connection as well.

> I have not read the details, but apparently John Thomas was angrily
> denounced by Campbell[*] because of his beliefs, which may have included
> the neo-Arian contention that Jesus was not God. Thomas founded his own
> church because he was thrown out by the Campbellites.

Please cite your source. I have not read that.

* Actually there were two Campbell brothers--Thomas and Alexander--who
founded the Church of Christ.

> It is certainly possible that this was some sort of faked split for
> purposes of hiding a Zionist plot, but you haven't proven that.

It was not my intention to prove that the split between the John Thomas and
the Campbell brothers was faked.

> The Disciples of Christ seem to be a third denominational flavor, although
> some Christadelphians also use this description.

You are correct. The Disciples of Christ are apparently different from the
Christadelphians.* (See article below Christadelphian, Encyclopedia
Britannica) I will modify my previous article to reflect this.

* NOTE: In my original article (Ken Starr's vintage Talmudic theater)
I stated that Christadelphians were members of the Disciple of Christ. This
appears to be incorrect as a rule.

> From the evidence presented, it is also quite possible that the Johnson
> family were Christadelphian and Zionist without being crypto-Jewish.

I don't think so. Recall that LBJ's youngest aunt, Jessie Johnson Hatcher,
was not only a Christadelphian, but "Aunt Jessie" was also a member of the
Zionist Organization of America.*

Would a bona fide Gentile belong to such an organization?

* SOURCE: Louis Gomolak’s dissertation, "Prologue: LBJ’s foreign-affairs
background, 1908-1948," (University of Texas in Austin), p 18

> I am not meaning to quibble over details, but rather to point to
> additional wellsprings of the strange link which has developed between
> fundamentalist Christianity and radical Zionism.

No, I believe you are in fact quibbling over the link between Ken Star's
Church of Christ and LBJ's Christadelphian sect. I have already shown the
link, so let's move on.

Salvador

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Christadelphian
Encyclopedia Britannica Article

(Greek: "Brother of Christ"), member of a Christian sect founded about 1848
by John Thomas, who, after studying medicine in London, Eng., migrated to
Brooklyn, N.Y. He at first joined the followers of Thomas and Alexander
Campbell, founders of the Disciples of Christ (Christians), but eventually
he began preaching independently, largely applying Hebrew prophecy and the
book of Revelation to current and future events. Both in the United States
and in Great Britain he gathered a number of adherents. The name
Christadelphian was adopted during the American Civil War (1861-65), when
the followers of Thomas organized formally to justify their objection to
military service.

The local organization, called an ecclesia, is the principal unit of
government in the sect; there is no general overall organization, and no
distinction is made between clergy and laity. Ruling or serving brethren
are elected and minister without compensation. Generally an ecclesia does
not have a building but meets in a rented hall or private home. Annual
fraternal gatherings are held for fellowship and Bible study.

The Bible is the only authoritative creed, and membership in the group
requires a profession of faith and baptism by immersion. Orthodox views of
the Trinity are rejected, and theology is strongly millennialist.


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Communiqué # 93: [Exhibit K] From Salvador Astucia to Forum, October 7, 2002.

Synopsis: Salvador presents an article (from CBS News' website) that supports his assertion that Ken Starr's evangelical beliefs make him a Zionist by definition. The article, "Falwell Brands Mohammed A 'Terrorist'," describes a piece that aired on Sixty Minutes (CBS), on Sunday October 6, 2002, entitled "Zion's Christian Soldiers."

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Falwell Brands Mohammed A 'Terrorist'
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The following article (from CBS News's website) supports my assertion
that Ken Starr's evangelical beliefs make him a Zionist by definition,
which links him to an Israeli conspiracy in the Foster case.

This is not counting Starr's Jewish wife and his three Jewish children.

Salvador

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Falwell Brands Mohammed A 'Terrorist'

Oct. 4, 2002

The Rev. Jerry Falwell (AP)

(CBS) The Rev. Jerry Falwell has called Islam’s founder and most sacred
figure, Mohammed, "a terrorist."

In a 60 Minutes interview with CBS News Correspondent Bob Simon, Falwell
also affirms the Christian Right’s steadfast support for the state of
Israel against its Islamic enemies and hints that right-wing religious
groups are influencing U.S. government policy toward Israel. Right-wing
Christians believe the turmoil in the Middle East is a harbinger of the
second coming of Christ.

The interview with Falwell will be broadcast on 60 Minutes Sunday at
7 p.m. ET/PT.

"I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough...by both Muslims and
non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war,"
Falwell tells Simon. "In my opinion...Jesus set the example for love,
as did Moses, and I think Mohammed set an opposite example."

When President Bush urged Israel to remove its forces from Palestinian
towns earlier this year, Falwell sent him a personal protest and the
White House received 100,000 e-mail protests from Christians.

Falwell say he believes Bush is well aware of the Christian constituency.
"There are 70 million of us...[and] there’s nothing that would bring the
wrath of the Christian public in this country down on this government
like abandoning or opposing Israel on a critical matter," he says.

Falwell and conservative Christians support the Israelis and condemn
their enemies because they believe the triumph of Israel is God’s will.
The Jews’ return to their ancient homeland - and sole ownership of the
territories Arabs and Israelis both lay claim to - is a precondition for
the second coming of Christ, according to the Fundamentalist Evangelical
Christians’ interpretation of the Bible.

The Biblical scenario is not a savory one for many Jews, however. "God
save us from these people," says Israeli political analyst Yossi Alpher.
"When you see what these people are encouraging Israel and the U.S. to
do...ignore the Palestinians, kick them out...they are leading us into
a scenario of out-and-out disaster," he tells Simon.

But disaster is part of the scenario. Many Fundamentalist Evangelicals
believe there will be catastrophic events on earth, some occurring
already, including the turmoil in the Middle East, culminating in the
Battle of Armageddon in which Christ will triumph and begin ruling the
earth. At this point, they believe, non-believers will be destroyed,
good Christians saved and any remaining Jews converted to Christianity.

Says Ed McAteer, a founder of the Moral Majority and known as the
godfather of the Christian Right, "I believe that we are seeing prophecy
unfold so rapidly and dramatically and wonderfully, and, without
exaggeration, [it] makes me breathless."

© MMII, CBS Worldwide Inc. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/60minutes/main524268.shtml
 

[This email is labeled Exhibit K.]

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Communiqué # 94: From Salvador Astucia to Forum, October 7, 2002.

Synopsis: Salvador presents the full transcript of "Zion's Christian Soldiers," a story produced by CBS News' Sixty Minutes which aired October 6, 2002. (He marks it Exhibit L.) Salvador describes the piece as a truthful account of how Evangelical Christians are a major supporter of Israel in American politics, more influential than American Jews. Salvador says the piece fits well with his Foster-Oslo hypothesis, particularly regarding Ken Starr's Israeli/Zionist connection. Salvador quotes the following Jewish and Evangelical individuals:

"I think that God did not want that Oslo Accord to go through."
         -- Kay Arthur evangelical leader (Precept Ministries)
 

"There's nothing that would bring the wrath of the Christian public in this country down on this government like abandoning or opposing Israel in a critical matter… There are 70 million of us, and if there's one thing that brings us together quickly, it's whenever we begin to detect our government becoming a little anti-Israel."
           -- Rev. Jerry Falwell
 

"We believe--I believe--I'm waiting for the First Coming of the Messiah. [The Evangelicals are] waiting for the Second Coming of the Messiah."

          -- Abe Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

 

"Every grain of sand between the Dead Sea, the Jordan River and the--and the Mediterranean Sea belongs to the Jew."
          -- Ed McAteer, founder of the Moral Majority and "godfather" of the Christian right

"God save us from these people."
           -- Yossi Alfer, political analyst, formerly with Mossad

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Hello readers,

On Sunday October 6, 2002, CBS News’ Sixty Minutes
aired an extraordinary piece entitled "Zion’s
Christian Soldiers." The piece gave a truthful account
of how Evangelical Christians are a major supporter of
Israel in American politics, more influential than
American Jews.

I thought it fit well with the topic of Israeli
involvement in the death of Vince Foster--that the
motive for his murder was to thwart the Oslo Accords.
The Sixty Minutes piece especially supports my
assertion that evangelical Christian and Whitewater
Prosecutor Kenneth Starr was part of an
Israeli/Zionist conspiracy that sponsored Foster’s
murder, and subsequent cover-up, as part of a
masterplan to discredit President Clinton because he
supported the Oslo Accords.

The article quotes evangelical leader Kay Arthur
(Precept Ministries) saying that the Oslo Accords went
against God’s word.

"They were going against the Word of God," Ms. Arthur
told CBS reporter Bob Simon. "You cannot go against
the Word of God. And I believe that God stopped it."

"By the assassination of Prime Minister Rabin?" Simon
asked.

"If God wounds and he heals," she explained, "if he
kills and if he makes alive, if he is the Lord and he
does these things, then no person dies accidentally.

(Simon) "You think Rabin was being punished for
getting involved in the peace process?"

(Arthur) "I think that God did not want that Oslo
Accord to go through."

Here are some other interesting excerpts:

"There's nothing that would bring the wrath of the
Christian public in this country down on this
government like abandoning or opposing Israel in a
critical matter… There are 70 million of us, and if
there's one thing that brings us together quickly,
it's whenever we begin to detect our government
becoming a little anti-Israel."
      -- Rev. Jerry Falwell

"We believe--I believe--I'm waiting for the First
Coming of the Messiah. [The Evangelicals are] waiting
for the Second Coming of the Messiah."
     -- Abe Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Every grain of sand between the Dead Sea, the Jordan
River and the--and the Mediterranean Sea belongs to
the Jew."
     -- Ed McAteer, founder of the Moral Majority
           and "godfather" of the Christian right

"God save us from these people."
      -- Yossi Alfer, political analyst,
             formerly with Mossad

To read the full transcript of Zion’s Christian
Soldiers, click here:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/zions_c_soldiers.htm

(I have marked this transcript as Exhibit L.)

To view the Foster-Oslo discussion thread in its
entirety, click here.

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

Feel free to email me your comments about Zion’s
Christian Soldiers.

Regards,

Salvador


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Communiqué # 95: From Salvador Astucia to Forum, November 18, 2002 [107]

Synopsis: Salvador announces that final comments are being accepted.

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:49:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Final comments on Oslo-Foster Discussion Forum
To: sfarney@bigfoot.com, chetlyle@bigfoot.com, sfarney2@erols.com,
sfarney@web2mail.com, jerry@regena.com, skywriter@public-action.com,
skywriter@erols.com


Participants,

I've been sidetracked with other issues for the last
month or so and have gotten away from the Oslo-Foster
Discussion Forum.

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

Anyway, I wish to wrap up the discussion soon.

I had stated earlier my intention of opening the floor
for general comments after covering several specific
topics.

At this time I am keeping that commitment and entering
the final phase of the discussion forum.

Consequently, anyone with final comments regarding the
hypothesis that Vince Foster was murdered by Israel to
thwart the Oslo Accords may comment at this time. In
addition to that specific topic, participants are free
to comment on anything covered in the discussion
thread so far.

I will post virtually anything related to the stated
topics as long as comments are presented in a civil
tone.

Let the fireworks begin!

Regards,

Salvador Astucia

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Communiqué # 96: From Jerry Russell to Salvador, November 19, 2002 [108]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Jerry requests clarification on Knowlton-Saudi connection.

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:52:42 -0800
To: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
From: "Jerry Russell" <jerry@efn.org>
Subject: Re: Last call-- Foster-Oslo debate


Salvador,

I would still like a clarification from Carol Valentine regarding her
"Appendix A" statements. She wrote:

> Realize that I am working from memory, and did not record or take
> notes while these conversations took place, so the accountings
> cannot be verbatim.

According to Knowlton, he worked with Ray Hodge of Nubold Security as
an independent contractor supplying security, transportation and
entertainment services for the Saudis. Knowlton was not employed
directly by the embassy.

According to Turley, he met Knowlton in connection with an event at a
hotel, not at the embassy, and the event took place several weeks after
Foster's death.

I am wondering if this scenario is consistent with Carol's memories of
her conversation with Turley.

In my opinion, both versions of the story are roughly equally
incriminating in view of the proximity of the scene of the crime to
the Saudi embassy. But in the interests of accuracy, I would like
to confirm whether Carol would be satisfied that this is consistent
with Turley's earlier statements.

-Jerry

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Communiqué # 97: From Salvador to Jerry Russell, November 19, 2002 [109]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador provides clarification on Knowlton-Saudi connection.

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:55:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Last call-- Foster-Oslo debate
To: "Jerry Russell" <jerry@efn.org>


Jerry,

I will post your concerns, however, please recall that
Carol's testimony (Appendix A) was viewed by
Knowlton's attorney, John Clarke, at the time it was
presented to the forum.

It seems to me that if Carol's recollection of the
conversations regarding Knowlton's employment at the
Saudi embassy was incorrect, then Clarke should have
pointed out any mistakes.

What did Clarke do?

He asked to have his name removed from the forum's
mailing list.

That action alone bespeaks more than anything I can
say or write on the subject.

Salvador

[Note: Hugh Turley requested I remove his name from the
forum email list as well.]


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Communiqué # 98: From Salvador to Forum, November 24, 2002 [110]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibits N thru Q.
 

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:23:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: New exhibits added to Foster-Oslo discussion forum
To: salvador_astucia@yahoo.com
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November 24, 2002

Dear Forum Participants & Readers:

The following discussion forum is undergoing quite a
few final changes:

"Oslo Accords - Motive for Vince Foster’s Murder (?)"

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

Be advised that the following four exhibits have been
added to the discussion thread:

Exhibit N
Trent Lott linked to political espionage & murder
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/trent_lott.htm

Exhibit O
NYC Mayor Bloomberg linked to CIA & Vince Foster-AIM
scandal
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/mayor_bloomberg.htm

Exhibit P
‘Christians’ Attack Anti-Zionist Jews at Rally
(Ken Starr attends Christian Right Rally for Israel)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/rally_starr_afp.htm

Exhibit Q
Phone Conversations between DC Dave & Salvador,
Monday, Aug. 19, 2002
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dcdave_conversations.htm

Feel free to send comments regarding these exhibits
and any other issues raised in the debate.

I will post a closing argument shortly.

Regards,

Salvador Astucia


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Communiqué # 99: From Salvador to Forum, November 25, 2002 [111]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibits R thru U.

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:01:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Exhibits [R] thru U added to Foster-Oslo discussion forum
To: salvador_astucia@yahoo.com
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November 25, 2002

Dear Forum Participants & Readers:

I’m still putting the finishing touches on the
following discussion forum:

"Oslo Accords - Motive for Vince Foster’s Murder (?)"

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

Today I added the following four exhibits:

----
Exhibit R
"The Falwell Connection"
(Murray Waas' exposé on Jerry Falwell's anti-Clinton
video, "The Clinton Chronicles")
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/falwell_expose_salon.htm

Comment:
Exhibit R demonstrates that Jerry Falwell was running
an anti-Clinton propaganda campaign. Murray Waas'
exposé reveals that Falwell’s video, "The Clinton
Chronicles," is tainted for several reasons. Recall
that Falwell and the Christian Right are Israel’s most
ardent supporters in America. Since Clinton supported
the Oslo Accords (an effort to return Israeli land to
the Palestinians), Falwell had a motive to smear
Clinton. And he used the tainted Clinton Chronicles to
do it. Keep in mind that while Falwell endorses the
view that Foster was murdered, he strongly suggests
that the Clintons sponsored it because they are thugs.
This is pure disinformation. Taking the truth and
bending it.

----
Exhibit S
Vince Foster’s relationship with Hillary Clinton
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/hillary_vince_relationship.htm

Comment:
Exhibit S is a description of Vince and Hillary’s
romantic and professional relationship per two
prominent journalists, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard and
Roger Morris.

----
Exhibit T
Photograph of Vince Foster and Hillary Clinton
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/hillary_vince_photo.htm

Comment:
Exhibit T is presented for anyone who doubts the
veracity of Ambrose Evans-Pritchard’s and Roger
Morris’ description of Vince and Hillary’s romantic
relationship. A picture speaks a thousand words. It is
clear from this photograph that Hillary Clinton and
Vince Foster enjoyed each other’s company a great
deal. In the photo, they are glowing. Hillary looks
downright sexy, not something she is known for.

----
Exhibit U
The murder of Jerry Parks
(Security specialist for Clinton inner circle)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/jerry_parks.htm

Comment:
Exhibit U makes two important points. First, it
refutes the claim that Foster’s murder was sponsored
by the Clintons because Foster was blackmailing Bill
about sexual indiscretions. According to Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard, in 1989, Jerry Parks performed
discreet surveillance on then-Governor Clinton per
Foster’s instructions at the behest of Hillary. She
was gauging his vulnerability to charges of
philandering if he decided to launch a bid for the
presidency. It is therefore incorrect to conclude that
Foster was blackmailing Bill Clinton just because this
sensitive information (which was obtained for
Hillary’s use) turned up in Foster’s belongings after
his death.

Second point, Exhibit U reminds us that Jerry Parks
was in charge of security for the Clintons and he took
his instructions from Foster. Parks was murdered two
months after Foster’s death. It is highly possible
that if Foster was involved in the secret Oslo
meetings between Israel and the PLO, then Parks might
have been his top assistant. And if Foster was
murdered to thwart the Oslo Accords, it makes sense
that his assistant would be killed as well.

------

Feel free to send comments regarding these exhibits
and any other issues raised in the debate.

As I stated yesterday, I will post a closing argument
shortly.

Regards,

Salvador Astucia


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Communiqué # 100: From DC Dave to alt.thebird (Usenet newsgroup), November 26, 2002 [112]
Synopsis: (Final comments) DC Dave recites short poem.
 

[Moderator's comment: DC Dave voluntarily left the forum discussion group, but in the interest of fairplay, I will add his Usenet comment because it is a response to a message I posted on alt.thebird.]
 

From: David Martin (dcdave1@erols.com)
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http://thebird.org/host/dcdave/poet4/p070598.html

Posted 7/5/98

[Plain Speaking

by DCDave

"So you say that Vince was murdered?
You must be a liberal-baiter,
A far-right-wing, Falwell-like,
Bill-and-Hillary hater.

If that is how the game is played,
Forgive me, I'm not playing.
My job is just to do my thing:
Saying what needs saying.

David Martin]

--------
DC Dave
Author, "Who Killed James Forrestal?"
"America's Dreyfus Affair, The Case of the Death of Vincent Foster"
"Upton Sinclair and Timothy McVeigh"
"Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression"
http://www.thebird.org/host/dcdave
News group: alt.thebird
"Salvadorwriter" <salvadorwriter@cs.com> wrote in message
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Communiqué # 101: From Salvador to Forum, November 26, 2002 [113]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit V.
 

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:55:21 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Another exhibit, suicide note - final phase of Foster-Oslo discussion
To: salvador_astucia@yahoo.com
Bcc: [forum]


November 26, 2002

Dear Forum Participants & Readers:

I’ve got yet another exhibit to add to the discussion
forum:

"Oslo Accords - Motive for Vince Foster’s Murder (?)"

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

Here it is:

Exhibit V
"Transcript of the 'Suicide' Note"
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/suicide_note.htm

Comment:
The authenticity of Vince Foster’s alleged suicide
note has been a topic of controversy for years;
however, most debates focus on scientific and forensic
evidence to prove or refute its genuineness. I believe
the note is fraudulent because of its contents. A man
like Vince Foster would not write such a note.
According to the note, he killed himself because after
living and working in Washington, DC for less than a
year, he was discouraged to realize that people in the
nation’s capital "lie." Come on, get real. Foster was
a top litigator, one of the principals at the Rose Law
firm. He was the attack dog, the guy sent into the
courtroom to rip people’s throats out. Are we to
believe such a person would be so naïve as to be
disillusioned upon discovering that people in
Washington lie? I don’t think so.

Feel free to send comments regarding this exhibit and
any other issues raised in the debate.

Regards,

Salvador Astucia



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Communiqué # 102: From Salvador to Forum, December 2, 2002 [114]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit W.

 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:56:41 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Council for the Defense of Freedom
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The following article is marked Exhibit W in the
Oslo-Foster discussion.

Feel free to comment on the article below or any topic
in the debate.

(To view the entire debate, go to

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm )

Regards,

Salvador

--------
Council for the Defense of Freedom
How Reed Irvine finances Jerry Falwell
By Salvador Astucia, Dec. 2, 2002

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/council_defense_freedom.htm

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Communiqué # 103: From Salvador to Forum, December 3, 2002 [115]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit X.

Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:55:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Exhibit X, Admiral Thomas Hinman Moorer (Foster-Oslo debate)
To: salvador_astucia@yahoo.com
Bcc: [Forum]

Exhibit X, Admiral Thomas Hinman Moorer (Foster-Oslo
debate)

Dec. 3, 2002

Participants & Readers:

As you can see, I’m still adding material to the
discussion about Vince Foster and the Oslo Accords.

Readers are encouraged to look at the newly revised
Summary Page at

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm
-----

Also, I wish to introduce the following exhibit:

Exhibit X: Admiral Thomas Hinman Moorer (bio)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/moorer_admiral.htm

COMMENT: Admiral Moorer (90) is perhaps the biggest
fish of all in the criminal enterprise that murdered
Vince Foster. Moorer is a member of AIM’s advisory
board and most certainly is deeply involved in the
Council for the Defense of Freedom (the anti-Communist
organization created in the early 1950s). Moorer is
also a board member of Newsmax. The Admiral was
involved in the Nixon coup (aka, Watergate) and
probably the Kennedy assassination as well, not to
mention manipulating events involving the Gulf of
Tonkin Incident which set the stage for sending US
ground troops to Vietnam.
-----

Feel free to comment on Admiral Moorer and other
topics discussed.

Regards,

Salvador


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Communiqué # 104: From Salvador to Forum, December 4, 2002 [116]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit Y.

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:44:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: David Martin on AIM’s National Advisory Board in 1989
To: salvador_astucia@yahoo.com
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David Martin on AIM’s National Advisory Board in 1989
By Salvador Astucia, Dec. 4, 2002

Gary David Martin (aka, David Martin; aka, DC Dave) of
Chantilly, VA has publicly denied any tangible
association with Accuracy in Media or its founder,
Reed Irvine.

I wish to present evidence that his claim is untrue.

Watchdog group, Public Eye, wrote a synopsis of AIM,
dated August 1989, which cited one "David Martin"
among the principals at AIM.

More specifically, Public Eye identified David Martin
as a member of AIM’s National Advisory Board, along
with Admiral Thomas H. Moorer and Clare Boothe Luce,
among others.

Here is an excerpt from Public Eye’s 1989 synopsis of
AIM:

----quote on----
Principals:
Officers: Reed Irvine, chair; Murray Baron, pres;
Wilson C. Lucom, vice-pres; Donald Irvine, exec sect;
Jon Basil Utley, tres; Milton Mitchell, gen counsel;
John R. Van Evera, John K. McLean, Bernard Yoh,
communications dir;. Natl Advisory Board includes:
Hon. Karl R. Bendetsen, Hon. Shelby Cullom Davis
(former ambassador), Hon. Elbridge Dubrow (former
ambassador), Ellen Garwood, Marx Lewis, Hon. Clare
Boothe Luce, Eugene Lyons (Reader's Digest), Adm.
Thomas H. Moorer (ret, former chair, Joint Chiefs of
Staff), Hon. William E. Simon, Dr. Edward Teller, Dr.
Eugene Wigner, Frank Fusco, David Lichtenstein, David
Martin, Charles A. Moser, Abraham Kalish, Dr.
Frederick Seitz, Adm. William C. Mott, Gen. Lewis W.
Walt, J. L. Robertson, Midge Decter.
----quote off----

Here is the URL:
http://www.publiceye.org/research/Group_Watch/Entries-06.htm

cached at:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dmartin_cache/public_eye_aim.htm

This would explain why Mr. Martin advised me, on
August 19, 2002, that Reed Irvine has his work
telephone number.

See Exhibit Q:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dcdave_conversations.htm

-------
The article presented here is marked EXHIBIT Y in the
ongoing debate about the Oslo Accords as the motive
for Vince Foster’s murder.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dmartin_principal_aim.htm

To view the entire discussion thread, click here:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

END


=====
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solved the JFK murder.

* View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

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Communiqué # 105: From Salvador to Forum, December 4, 2002 [117]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit Z.

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:38:28 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, principal at AIM and Newsmax
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Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, principal at AIM and Newsmax
By Salvador Astucia, Dec. 4, 2002

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer is a member of the advisory
board at Accuracy in Media and a board member of
Newsmax as well.

These facts are stated on the respective websites for
AIM and Newsmax.

Admiral Moorer and AIM:
http://www.aim.org  (click AIM FAQ)

cached at:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/moorer_cache/aim.htm

-----------
Admiral Moorer and Newsmax:
http://www.newsmax.com/bios/

cached at:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/moorer_cache/newsmax.htm

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The article presented here is marked EXHIBIT Z in the
ongoing debate about the Oslo Accords as the motive
for Vince Foster’s murder.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/moorer_aim_newsmax.htm

To view the entire discussion thread, click here:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

END


=====
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solved the JFK murder.

* View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

* or purchase book for $29 in USA, $34 worldwide (includes shipping).
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Communiqué # 106: From Salvador to Forum, December 4, 2002 [118]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit Z1.

Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:54:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Admiral Moorer’s role in the Watergate coup
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Admiral Moorer’s role in the Watergate coup
Posted Dec. 4, 2002, Salvador Astucia

The following is an excerpt from my book, OPIUM LORDS
(April 2002), pp 250-254.

The information presented below is marked EXHIBIT Z1
in the ongoing debate about the Oslo Accords as the
motive for Vince Foster’s murder.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/admiral_moorer_nixon.htm

To view the entire discussion thread, click here:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

Regards,

Salvador

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Communiqué # 107: From Salvador to Forum, December 5, 2002 [119]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit Z2.

Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:14:38 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Joseph Milteer & JFK, right-wing conspirators
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Joseph Milteer & JFK, right-wing conspirators
Posted Dec. 5, 2002, Salvador Astucia

Readers and Participants:

The following is an excerpt from my book, OPIUM LORDS
(April 2002), pp. 154-162.

The information presented here is relevant to the
ongoing discussion about the Oslo Accords as the
motive for Vince Foster’s murder because it introduces
the strong possibility that one of the key figures in
the Foster murder and ensuing cover-up, Admiral Thomas
Moorer, may have been involved in the Kennedy
assassination as well. The excerpt from OPIUM LORDS
reveals strong similarities between right-wing
conspirators behind the Kennedy assassination and
right-wing conspirators led by Admiral Moorer who
staged a bloodless coup against Nixon. (per Len
Colodny and Robert Gettlin in their 1991 book, "Silent
Coup")

In addition, I wish to mark the information presented
below EXHIBIT Z2 in the cited debate.

To view Exibit Z2, click here.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/joseph_milteer.htm

To view the entire discussion thread, click here:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

Regards,

Salvador

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* View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

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Communiqué # 108: From DC Dave to alt.thebird (Usenet newsgroup), December 5, 2002 [120]
Synopsis: (Final comments) DC Dave denies he was on AIM's advisory board.

[Moderator's comment: DC Dave voluntarily left the forum discussion group, but as I stated earlier, I will add his Usenet comment because it is a response to a message I posted on alt.thebird.]

Subject: Re: David Martin on AIM's National Advisory Board in 1989
From: "David Martin" dcdave1@erols.com
Newsgroups: alt.thebird
Date: 12/5/02 8:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
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I shall expect a retraction and a most humble apology after Salvador the
Sharp, the assiduous researcher, does a little more digging to discover
exactly who this particular "David Martin" is, because it is most assuredly
not me. Imagine, little old DC Dave in the company of such national
luminaries as Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Dr. Edward Teller, and Clare Booth
Luce. What sort of a dream world does His Astuteness live in?

By the way, if there was an Israel connection to Vince Foster's murder, it
might well have been related to the stolen Promis software that, I
understand, fell into the hands of a firm called Systematics, owned by Rose
Law firm client, Jackson Stephens. Joseph Farah
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a2fccf1362.htm and a lot of other
questionable right wingers have written about the connection between Foster
and Promis, but they have scrupulously stayed away from the Israeli
connection to the whole mess, which we see below in the Mirror of London.
This "evidence" of course, should also be regarded with the proper amount of
skepticism, but it is impossible that it could be further from the truth
than the charge that I am a member of Accuracy in Media's board, or that I
have ever had any connection with that organization whatsoever.

ENGLAND: MAXWELL WORKED FOR MOSSAD

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=full&siteid=50143

ROBERT MAXWELL WAS A MOSSAD SPY New claim on tycoon's mystery death
By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon

ELEVEN years after former Daily Mirror owner Robert Maxwell plunged from
his luxury yacht to a watery grave, his death still arouses intense
interest.
Many different theories have circulated about what really happened on board
the Lady Ghislaine that night in May 1991.
Some believe the 67-year-old tycoon simply slipped into the sea, perhaps
after a few drinks.
Others think Maxwell took his own life amid increasing troubles in his
business empire - after his death investigators discovered he had been
secretly diverting millions of pounds from two of his companies and from
employee pension funds in an effort to keep solvent.
But now, after two and a half years of investigative journalism, we believe
we have unearthed the true story of Maxwell's death and can reveal how he
was murdered by the Israeli secret service, Mossad.
Our work, supported by documents, including FBI reports and secret
intelligence files from behind the Iron Curtain, shows Maxwell had worked
as a secret super spy for Mossad for six years.
The Czech-born millionaire and former Labour MP died the way he had lived -
threatening. He had threatened his wife. Threatened his children.
Threatened the staff of this newspaper.
But finally he issued one threat too many - he threatened Mossad.
He told them that unless they gave him £400million to save his crumbling
empire, he would expose all he had done for them.
In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, to
Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin and to the corridors of power
throughout Europe.
On top of that he had built himself a position of power within the crime
families of eastern Europe, teaching them how to funnel their vast wealth
from drugs, arms smuggling and prostitution to banks in safe havens around
the globe.
MAXWELL passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In
turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities and insatiable appetite for a
luxurious lifestyle and women.
He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it.
He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet Bloc.
Mossad saw the advantage in that.
Having learned many of the key secrets of the Soviet empire, Maxwell was
given his greatest chance to be a super spy.
Mossad had stolen from America the most important piece of software in the
US arsenal. Maxwell was given the job of marketing the stolen software,
called Promis.
Mossad had reconstructed the software and inserted into it a device which
enabled them to track the use any purchaser made of the it.
Sitting in Israel, Mossad would know exactly what was going on inside all
the intelligence services that bought it. In all, Maxwell sold it to 42
countries, including China and Soviet Bloc nations. But his greatest
triumph was selling it to Los Alamos, the very heart of the US nuclear
defence system.
The more successful Maxwell became the more risks he took and the more
dangerous he was to Mossad. At the same time, the very public side of
Maxwell, who then owned 400 companies, began to unwind.
He spent lavishly and lost money on deals. The more he lost, the more he
tried to claw money from the banks. Then he saw a way out of his problems.
He was approached by Vladimir Kryuchkov, head of the KGB.
Spymaster and tycoon met in the utmost secrecy in the Kremlin.
Kryuchkov had an extraordinary proposal. He wanted Maxwell to help
orchestrate the overthrow of Mikhail Gorbachev, the reformist Soviet
leader. That would bring to an end a fledgling democracy and a return to
the Cold War days.
In return, Maxwell's massive debts would be wiped out by a grateful
Kryuchkov, who planned to replace Gorbachev. The KGB chief wanted Maxwell
to use the Lady Ghislaine, named after Maxwell's daughter, as a meeting
place between the Russian plotters, Mossad chiefs and Israel's top
politicians.
The plan was for the Israelis to go to Washington and say that democracy
could not work in Russia and that it was better to allow the country to
return to a modified form of communism, which America could help to
control. In return, Kryuchkov would guarantee to free hundreds of thousands
of Jews and dissidents in the Soviet republics.
Kryuchkov told Maxwell that he would be seen as a saviour of all those
Jews. It was a proposal he could not refuse. But when he put it to his
Mossad controllers they were horrified. They said Israel would have no part
in such a madcap plan.
For the first time, Maxwell had failed to get his own way. He started to
threaten and bluster. He then demanded that, for past services, he should
receive immediately a quick fix of £400million to bale him out of his
financial difficulties.
Instead of providing the money, a small group of Mossad officers set about
planning his murder. They feared that he was going to publicly expose all
Mossad had done in the time he worked for them.
They knew that he was gradually becoming mentally unstable and paranoid. He
was taking a cocktail of drugs - Halcion and Zanax - which had serious side
effects.
The group of Mossad plotters sensed, like Solomon, he could bring their
temple tumbling down and cause incalculable harm to Israel.
The plan to kill him was prepared in the utmost secrecy. A four-man squad
was briefed.
Then Maxwell was contacted. He was told to fly to Gibraltar, go aboard the
Lady Ghislaine and sail to the Canary Islands. There at sea he would
receive his £400million quick fix in the form of a banker's draft. Maxwell
did as he was told.
ON the night of November 4, 1991, the Lady Ghislaine, one of the world's
biggest yachts, was at sea. Unknown to its crew, the death squad had cast
an electronic net over the yacht to block all radio transmissions.
The security cameras on board had been switched off. After midnight there
were only two men on the bridge. One hundred and twenty feet behind them,
Maxwell appeared on deck.
He had been instructed to do so in a previous message from Mossad.
A small boat came alongside. On board were four black-suited men. Three
scrambled on to the yacht.
In a second it was all over. Two held Maxwell. The third plunged a syringe
into his neck behind his ear. A measured dose of nerve agent was injected.
Robert Maxwell was immobilised. He was lowered off the deck into the water.
As Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent told us: "On that cold night
Mossad's problems with Robert Maxwell were over."
The incontrovertible facts about his murder are contained in a
previously-unseen autopsy report by Britain's then-leading forensic
pathologist Dr Iain West and Israel State Pathologist Dr Yehuda Hiss.
Of all the documents in our possession, these reports confirm the truth
about Maxwell's death.
Gordon Thomas & Martin Dillon are authors of The Assassination of Robert
Maxwell: Israel's Super Spy, published by Robson Books.

--------
DC Dave
Author, "Who Killed James Forrestal?"
"America's Dreyfus Affair, The Case of the Death of Vincent Foster"
"Upton Sinclair and Timothy McVeigh"
"Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression"
http://www.thebird.org/host/dcdave
News group: alt.thebird
"Salvadorwriter" <salvadorwriter@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20021204233805.13637.00008929@mb-mj.news.cs.com...
 

> David Martin on AIM's National Advisory Board in 1989
> By Salvador Astucia, Dec. 4, 2002
>

> [Newsgroups: alt.thebird]

>
> Gary David Martin (aka, David Martin; aka, DC Dave) of Chantilly, VA has
> publicly denied any tangible association with Accuracy in Media or its
> founder, Reed Irvine.
>
> I wish to present evidence that his claim is untrue.
>
> Watchdog group, Public Eye, wrote a synopsis of AIM, dated August 1989,
> which cited one "David Martin" among the principals at AIM.
>
> More specifically, Public Eye identified David Martin as a member of AIM's
> National Advisory Board, along with Admiral Thomas H. Moorer and Clare
> Boothe Luce, among others.
>
> Here is an excerpt from Public Eye's 1989 synopsis of AIM:
>
> ----quote on----
> Principals:
> Officers: Reed Irvine, chair; Murray Baron, pres; Wilson C. Lucom,
> vice-pres; Donald Irvine, exec sect; Jon Basil Utley, tres; Milton Mitchell, gen
> counsel; John R. Van Evera, John K. McLean, Bernard Yoh, communications dir;. Natl
> Advisory Board includes: Hon. Karl R. Bendetsen, Hon. Shelby Cullom Davis
> (former ambassador), Hon. Elbridge Dubrow (former ambassador), Ellen
> Garwood, Marx Lewis, Hon. Clare Boothe Luce, Eugene Lyons (Reader's Digest), Adm.
> Thomas H. Moorer (ret, former chair, Joint Chiefs of Staff), Hon. William E.
> Simon, Dr. Edward Teller, Dr. Eugene Wigner, Frank Fusco, David Lichtenstein,
> David Martin, Charles A. Moser, Abraham Kalish, Dr. Frederick Seitz, Adm.
> William C. Mott, Gen. Lewis W. Walt, J. L. Robertson, Midge Decter.
> ----quote off----
>
> Here is the URL:
> http://www.publiceye.org/research/Group_Watch/Entries-06.htm
>
> cached at
> http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dmartin_cache/public_eye_aim.htm
>
> This would explain why Mr. Martin advised me, on August 19, 2002, that
> Reed Irvine has his work telephone number. (See Exhibit Q)
> http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dcdave_conversations.htm
>
> -------
> The article presented here is marked EXHIBIT Y in the ongoing debate about
> the Oslo Accords as the motive for Vince Foster's murder.
> http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dmartin_principal_aim.htm
>
> To view the entire discussion thread, click here:
> http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm
>
> END
>
> ------
> Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords" (416 pages), the book that
solved the
> JFK murder.
>
> View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com
>
> or purchase book for $29.00 in USA (includes shipping).
>
> http://www.jfkmontreal.com/order_hardcopy.htm

Communiqué # 109: From Salvador to alt.thebird (Usenet newsgroup), December 6, 2002 [121]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador challenges DC Dave's denial that he was on AIM's advisory board.

Subject: Re: David Martin on AIM's National Advisory Board in 1989
From: salvadorwriter@cs.com (Salvadorwriter)
Newsgroups: alt.thebird
Date: 12/6/02 12:29 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <20021206002940.11813.00000307@mb-cc.news.cs.com>

[Gary David Martin wrote:]
>I shall expect a retraction and a most humble apology after Salvador the
>Sharp, the assiduous researcher, does a little more digging to discover
>exactly who this particular "David Martin" is, because it is most assuredly
>not me. Imagine, little old DC Dave in the company of such national
>luminaries as Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, Dr. Edward Teller, and Clare Booth
>Luce. What sort of a dream world does His Astuteness live in?
>

Is that your only response?

"Little old DC Dave" is not worthy of keeping company with Admiral Moorer, et
al?

Is that what you expect people to believe?

Speaking of the Admiral, you may regard him as a "luminary," but history has
already shown that he was a traitor regarding the "silent coup" he led against
President Nixon. History may one day show that this man who you place in such
high regard was also deeply involved in the conspiracy to assassinate President
John F. Kennedy.

But regardless of your apparent admiration for the Admiral, why is it so
difficult to believe that someone like you would sit on the same board of
directors along with someone like him?

In addition to AIM, Admiral Moorer is a board member for Newsmax as well. (See
Exhibit Z: Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, principal at AIM and Newsmax)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/moorer_aim_newsmax.htm

You were once on friendly terms with Chris Ruddy of Newsmax and you are still
on friendly terms with Reed Irvine of AIM.

Your pal Hugh Turley's picture is on AIM's website (aim.org) at the end of
AIM's list of speakers. There's even a brief write-up about Turley under his
photo.

You have a Ph.D. in economics which makes you a bona fide expert of sorts.

You seem to have all the credentials needed to sit on AIM's advisory board.

Consequently, your humble pie argument is a bit weak, to say the least.

Let's get real.

Someone was obviously jerking your chain on August 19, 2002 when you phoned me
at work in a highly emotional state and demanded that I take down the
Oslo-Foster discussion page after I publicly asked your pal Hugh Turley nine
questions about Patrick Knowlton and AIM. (See Exhibit Q: Phone Conversations
between DC Dave & Salvador, Monday, Aug. 19, 2002)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dcdave_conversations.htm

Funny thing---You hadn't even read the nine questions when you called me and
demanded that I remove the web page. Yet you used every trick in the book to
get me to remove it.

Why would someone as educated as you act so aggressively when, admittedly, you
were ignorant of the details involved? You admitted you had not read the nine
questions.

No one would act in such a manner unless they were taking orders from someone
else.

Who was jerking your chain, Mr. Martin?

Was it Admiral Moorer or Reed Irvine? If not them, then who?

Do you really expect anyone to buy your "little old DC Dave" act?

I don't think so.

Salvador

------
Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords" (416 pages), the book that solved the
JFK murder.

View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

or purchase book for $29.00 in USA (includes shipping).

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Communiqué # 110: From Salvador to Forum, December 6, 2002 * [122]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador introduces Exhibit Z3.

* NOTE: I sent the email below on Dec. 6th at about 2:30 am Eastern Standard Time, but it has a  Dec. 5th date stamp because the ISP uses Pacific Standard Time (PST). The end result is a three-hour time delay.

Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:24:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Clay Shaw trial testimony of Dr. Pierre Finck
To: salvador_astucia@yahoo.com
Bcc: [forum]


The Clay Shaw trial testimony of Dr. Pierre Finck

Posted Dec. 6, 2002, Salvador Astucia

Readers and Participants:

On February 24, 1969, Dr. Pierre Finck testified for
New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison in the
trial of Clay Shaw for conspiracy to assassinate
President John F. Kennedy.

Dr. Finck’s testimony is relevant to the ongoing
discussion about the Oslo Accords as the motive for
Vince Foster’s murder because it introduces the strong
possibility that one of the key figures in the Foster
murder and ensuing cover-up, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
may have been present during the autopsy performed on
President Kennedy at Bethesda Naval Hospital. If
Admiral Moorer was in fact present for the autopsy,
then he undoubtedly used his authority as an Admiral
to intimidate Dr. Finck and Dr. James Humes (the two
military physicians who performed the autopsy on JFK)
into doing a less than thorough examination of the
slain president’s wounds.

Dr. Finck stated that an Army General was in charge of
the autopsy, that admirals were present along with a
host of "military and civilian personnel and federal
agents, Secret Service agents, FBI agents."

I wish to mark Dr. Finck’s testimony (below) EXHIBIT
Z3 in the cited Oslo-Foster debate.

To view Exhibit Z3, click here.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/finckshaw_testimony.htm

To view the entire Oslo-Foster discussion thread,
click here:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

[omitted redundant text]

Salvador

=====
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solved the JFK murder.

* View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

* or purchase book for $29 in USA, $34 worldwide (includes shipping).
See ordering info. at http://www.jfkmontreal.com/order_hardcopy.htm

From Salvador Astucia Thu Dec 5 23:24:32 2002
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Communiqué # 111: From DC Dave to alt.thebird, December 7, 2002 [123]
Synopsis: (Final comments) DC Dave says the "David Martin" on AIM's adisory board was an aide to Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut.
 

Subject: Re: David Martin on AIM's National Advisory Board in 1989
From: "David Martin" dcdave1@erols.com
Date: 12/6/02 6:45 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <asrcqi$qgk$1@bob.news.rcn.net>
Newsgroups: alt.thebird

An inscribed used book by the late David Martin that "Salvador Astucia" has
publicly and embarrassingly mistaken for me can be purchased at
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/BookSearchPL . This David Martin was
the fiercely anti-communist aide to Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut. You
can find him with an edit/find at
http://www.lib.uconn.edu/DoddCenter/ASC/dodpmain.htm . This information
took only a few minutes to obtain. Were he not so wildly irresponsible His
Astuteness could have found the information for himself before solemnly
proclaiming the mistaken identity.

I used the word "luminary" in the sense, simply, that these people are
famous and I am not, and, in fact, did not exist as "David Martin" in 1989.
Upon looking the word up I see that it means, especially, a "famous
intellectual." I don't think anyone knows exactly what an intellectual is,
but I don't think anyone would deny that the three people here mentioned are
at least intelligent. They are not among the people that I have any great
admiration for, though.

I await the apology for the misidentification, and repeat that I have never
had any connection with Accuracy in Media.

--------
DC Dave
Author, "Who Killed James Forrestal?"
"America's Dreyfus Affair, The Case of the Death of Vincent Foster"
"Upton Sinclair and Timothy McVeigh"
"Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression"
http://www.thebird.org/host/dcdave

[omitted redundant message]
 

Communiqué # 112: From Salvador to Jean Hardisty, President of Political Research Associates, December 7, 2002 [124]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador asks president of Political Research Associates (aka, Public Eye) to specify the identity of the David Martin who was on AIM's advisory board in 1989.

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:31:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: David Martin, Principal with Accuracy in Media
To: a.jackson.pra@mindspring.com, p.shah.pra@mindspring.com,
k.cloud@mindspring.com

[Please forward to Jean Hardisty.]

Dec. 7, 2002

Jean Hardisty, Ph.D, President
Political Research Associates
1310 Broadway
Somerville MA 02144

cc: Allen Jackson, Ms. Palak Shah, K. Cloud

Subject: David Martin, Principal with Accuracy in
Media

Dear Ms. Hardisty, et al:

As an independent researcher and writer, I find your
organization and web site to be most informative.

I am writing regarding a Mr. "David Martin,"
identified on Political Research Associates’ web site
(publiceye.org) as a principal with Accuracy in Media
(AIM), a right-wing political organization located at
1275 K Street N. W. , Suite 1150, Washington, D. C.
20005.

I am acquainted with a David Martin and wish to
determine if the individual I know is the same one
mentioned on your web site.

Your site contains an article, dated Aug. 1989, about
Accuracy in Media which states that a David Martin was
on the organization’s National Advisory Board.

Here is the URL to view the stated article:

http://www.publiceye.org/research/Group_Watch/Entries-06.htm

Over the years, Mr. Martin has told me that he was
friends and colleagues with the late Bernie Yoh,
another principal with AIM. Mr. Martin frequently
mentioned having discussions with Reed Irvine, AIM’s
president.

In August of this year, Mr. Martin inadvertently told
me that Reed Irvine has his (Martin’s) work phone
number. These facts lead me to believe that Mr.
Martin, my acquaintance, might be the same David
Martin listed on your web site.

The David Martin I know has a Ph.D. in economics and
has worked at [...] since around 1998. Prior to that,
he worked for [...] for about 20 years. His full name
is Gary David Martin, but he is known by friends as
both David Martin and Gary Martin. He was born in 1943
which would make him 59 years old.

Here is his home address:

[...]
Chantilly, VA [...]

His wife is Korean and they have three adult sons.

To my knowledge, Mr. Martin has lived at the same
Chantilly address for about 20 years, although he
mentioned that he and his family lived in Puerto Rico
for about five years, but I am uncertain of the
timeline.

I know of at least two other David Martins of
prominence. One is a CBS Pentagon correspondent, the
other was reportedly an aide to Senator Thomas Dodd of
Connecticut.

Could you provide more detail about the David Martin
mentioned in the cited 1989 article about AIM?

I would be most interested to determine if the David
Martin I know is the same person identified by
Political Research Associates as a principal with
Accuracy in Media in 1989.

Thank-you in advance for your assistance.

Regards,

Salvador Astucia

[...]

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Communiqué # 113: From Salvador to alt.thebird, December 7, 2002 [125]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador informs DC Dave that he is checking the identity of the David Martin who sat on AIM's advisory board in 1989.

Subject: Re: David Martin on AIM's National Advisory Board in 1989
From: salvadorwriter@cs.com (Salvadorwriter)
Date: 12/7/02 3:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <20021207154203.04096.00000020@mb-da.news.cs.com>

Gary,

I am checking the identity of the "David Martin" cited by Public Eye as a
principal with AIM in 1989. If that individual turns out NOT be you, I will
post a correction.

But given your predisposition to mislead, your anticipation of an apology is
somewhat amusing.

Salvador

[omitted redundant messages]

------
Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords" (416 pages), the book that solved the
JFK murder.

View online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

or purchase book for $29.00 in USA (includes shipping).

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/order_hardcopy.htm

Communiqué # 114: From DC Dave to 8 newsgroups, December 8, 2002 [126]
Synopsis: (Final comments) DC Dave launches propaganda campaign to provide tacit defense of Israel's sponsorship of Foster's murder.

From: David Martin (dcdave1@erols.com)
Subject: Foster-Israel Connection?
This is the only article in this thread
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Date: 2002-12-08 06:20:01 PST


If there was an Israel connection to Vince Foster's murder, as alleged by
some with little evidence to back them up, it
might well have been related to the stolen Promis software that apparently
fell into the hands of a firm called Systematics, owned by Rose
Law firm client, Jackson Stephens. Joseph Farah
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a2fccf1362.htm , Jim Norman, and
Orlin Grabbe have written about the connection between Foster
and Promis, but, to my knowledge, they have not mentioned any Israeli
connection to the whole mess, which we see below in the Mirror of London.

This "evidence" of course, should also be regarded with the proper amount of
skepticism. When poking around in the nether world of spookdom,
where plots like the Kennedy assassination, the Oklahoma City bombing,
and 9-11 are hatched, getting to the bottom of things can be dicey.
Consider these "revelations" simply as tasty food for thought.

ENGLAND: MAXWELL WORKED FOR MOSSAD

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=full&siteid=50143

ROBERT MAXWELL WAS A MOSSAD SPY New claim on tycoon's mystery death
By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon

ELEVEN years after former Daily Mirror owner Robert Maxwell plunged from
his luxury yacht to a watery grave, his death still arouses intense
interest.
Many different theories have circulated about what really happened on board
the Lady Ghislaine that night in May 1991.
Some believe the 67-year-old tycoon simply slipped into the sea, perhaps
after a few drinks.
Others think Maxwell took his own life amid increasing troubles in his
business empire - after his death investigators discovered he had been
secretly diverting millions of pounds from two of his companies and from
employee pension funds in an effort to keep solvent.
But now, after two and a half years of investigative journalism, we believe
we have unearthed the true story of Maxwell's death and can reveal how he
was murdered by the Israeli secret service, Mossad.
Our work, supported by documents, including FBI reports and secret
intelligence files from behind the Iron Curtain, shows Maxwell had worked
as a secret super spy for Mossad for six years.
The Czech-born millionaire and former Labour MP died the way he had lived -
threatening. He had threatened his wife. Threatened his children.
Threatened the staff of this newspaper.
But finally he issued one threat too many - he threatened Mossad.
He told them that unless they gave him £400million to save his crumbling
empire, he would expose all he had done for them.
In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, to
Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin and to the corridors of power
throughout Europe.
On top of that he had built himself a position of power within the crime
families of eastern Europe, teaching them how to funnel their vast wealth
from drugs, arms smuggling and prostitution to banks in safe havens around
the globe.
MAXWELL passed on all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In
turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities and insatiable appetite for a
luxurious lifestyle and women.
He told his controllers who they should target and how they should do it.
He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet Bloc.
Mossad saw the advantage in that.
Having learned many of the key secrets of the Soviet empire, Maxwell was
given his greatest chance to be a super spy.
Mossad had stolen from America the most important piece of software in the
US arsenal. Maxwell was given the job of marketing the stolen software,
called Promis.
Mossad had reconstructed the software and inserted into it a device which
enabled them to track the use any purchaser made of the it.
Sitting in Israel, Mossad would know exactly what was going on inside all
the intelligence services that bought it. In all, Maxwell sold it to 42
countries, including China and Soviet Bloc nations. But his greatest
triumph was selling it to Los Alamos, the very heart of the US nuclear
defence system.
The more successful Maxwell became the more risks he took and the more
dangerous he was to Mossad. At the same time, the very public side of
Maxwell, who then owned 400 companies, began to unwind.
He spent lavishly and lost money on deals. The more he lost, the more he
tried to claw money from the banks. Then he saw a way out of his problems.
He was approached by Vladimir Kryuchkov, head of the KGB.
Spymaster and tycoon met in the utmost secrecy in the Kremlin.
Kryuchkov had an extraordinary proposal. He wanted Maxwell to help
orchestrate the overthrow of Mikhail Gorbachev, the reformist Soviet
leader. That would bring to an end a fledgling democracy and a return to
the Cold War days.
In return, Maxwell's massive debts would be wiped out by a grateful
Kryuchkov, who planned to replace Gorbachev. The KGB chief wanted Maxwell
to use the Lady Ghislaine, named after Maxwell's daughter, as a meeting
place between the Russian plotters, Mossad chiefs and Israel's top
politicians.
The plan was for the Israelis to go to Washington and say that democracy
could not work in Russia and that it was better to allow the country to
return to a modified form of communism, which America could help to
control. In return, Kryuchkov would guarantee to free hundreds of thousands
of Jews and dissidents in the Soviet republics.
Kryuchkov told Maxwell that he would be seen as a saviour of all those
Jews. It was a proposal he could not refuse. But when he put it to his
Mossad controllers they were horrified. They said Israel would have no part
in such a madcap plan.
For the first time, Maxwell had failed to get his own way. He started to
threaten and bluster. He then demanded that, for past services, he should
receive immediately a quick fix of £400million to bale him out of his
financial difficulties.
Instead of providing the money, a small group of Mossad officers set about
planning his murder. They feared that he was going to publicly expose all
Mossad had done in the time he worked for them.
They knew that he was gradually becoming mentally unstable and paranoid. He
was taking a cocktail of drugs - Halcion and Zanax - which had serious side
effects.
The group of Mossad plotters sensed, like Solomon, he could bring their
temple tumbling down and cause incalculable harm to Israel.
The plan to kill him was prepared in the utmost secrecy. A four-man squad
was briefed.
Then Maxwell was contacted. He was told to fly to Gibraltar, go aboard the
Lady Ghislaine and sail to the Canary Islands. There at sea he would
receive his £400million quick fix in the form of a banker's draft. Maxwell
did as he was told.
ON the night of November 4, 1991, the Lady Ghislaine, one of the world's
biggest yachts, was at sea. Unknown to its crew, the death squad had cast
an electronic net over the yacht to block all radio transmissions.
The security cameras on board had been switched off. After midnight there
were only two men on the bridge. One hundred and twenty feet behind them,
Maxwell appeared on deck.
He had been instructed to do so in a previous message from Mossad.
A small boat came alongside. On board were four black-suited men. Three
scrambled on to the yacht.
In a second it was all over. Two held Maxwell. The third plunged a syringe
into his neck behind his ear. A measured dose of nerve agent was injected.
Robert Maxwell was immobilised. He was lowered off the deck into the water.
As Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent told us: "On that cold night
Mossad's problems with Robert Maxwell were over."
The incontrovertible facts about his murder are contained in a
previously-unseen autopsy report by Britain's then-leading forensic
pathologist Dr Iain West and Israel State Pathologist Dr Yehuda Hiss.
Of all the documents in our possession, these reports confirm the truth
about Maxwell's death.
Gordon Thomas & Martin Dillon are authors of The Assassination of Robert
Maxwell: Israel's Super Spy, published by Robson Books.


--------
DC Dave
Author, "Who Killed James Forrestal?"
"America's Dreyfus Affair, The Case of the Death of Vincent Foster"
"Upton Sinclair and Timothy McVeigh"
"Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression"
http://www.thebird.org/host/dcdave

News group: alt.thebird
 

Communiqué # 115: From Salvador 8 newsgroups, December 8, 2002 [127]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador replies to DC Dave's postings to 8 newsgroups.

From: salvador_astucia@yahoo.com (Salvador Astucia)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics,alt.politics.org.covert,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.true-crime,[alt.thebird---posted separately via ComuServ]
Subject: Re: Foster-Israel Connection?
References: <asvk92$lfd$1@bob.news.rcn.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.188.227
Message-ID: <b414f1da.0212081112.44a38606@posting.google.com>
Date: 2002-12-08 [9:17 AM Eastern Standard Time]

"David Martin" <dcdave1@erols.com> wrote in message news:<asvk92$lfd$1@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> If there was an Israel connection to Vince Foster's murder, as alleged by
> some with little evidence to back them up,

Hold on partner. What do you mean "little evidence?"

It looks like you've finally come out of the closet and are defending
Israel openly, at least regarding Israel's involvement in Vince Foster's
murder.

Allow me to present a summary of the case against Israel and the
Christian Right (a fanatic Zionist group) for sponsoring Foster's
murder and covering it up.

-----
The Oslo Accords
Israel's Motive for Vince Foster's Murder (?)

by Salvador Astucia (updated Dec. 7, 2002) **

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_debate.htm

* September 13, 1993--Yitzhak Rabin shakes hands with Yasser Arafat
under the watchful eye of President William Jefferson Clinton at White
House signing ceremony for the Oslo Accords.

* The Oslo Accords stipulated that Israeli land would be returned to
the Palestinians per UN Resolutions 242 and 338.

* Eleven secret meetings between the PLO and Rabin's Israeli
government that led to the Oslo Accords took place in Norway from
April through August 1993.

* Vince Foster died mysteriously of a gunshot wound to the head on
July 20, 1993, less than two months before the Oslo Accords were
publicly announced on September 13, 1993 at a White House signing
ceremony.

* Foster's death was officially ruled suicide but evidence indicates
otherwise.

* Hillary Clinton and Vince Foster had a loving, but non-sexual,
romantic and professional relationship. Bill Clinton was aware of
their feelings but apparently accepted the relationship as part of his
political marriage to Hillary.

* Foster was given highly sensitive top secret assignments by the
Clinton Administration.

* Someone from the inner circle of the Clinton Administration
certainly attended or sent a designee to the secret Oslo meetings.
That person was probably Vince Foster.

* On January 13, 1994, Foreign Minister of Norway Johan Jorgen Holst
died of a heart attack at the age of 56. Holst had coordinated the
secret meetings between Israel and the PLO and is considered the
driving force behind the Oslo Accords. His death occurred exactly four
months after the Accords were publicly announced.

* On November 4, 1995, Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in what was
apparently an Israeli/Likud coup. Rabin was killed when he was on the
verge of implementing the Accords.

* JERRY FALWELL and the Christian Right have publicly opposed the Oslo
Accords because it goes against their belief that Jews have a
God-given right to Israel. One of Falwell's colleagues, Kay Arthur,
stated publicly on CBS News' 60 Minutes that Rabin's assassination was
God's will because "God did not want that Oslo Accord to go through."

* Falwell co-financed, publicized and distributed "The Clinton
Chronicles," a video produced by Citizens for Honest Government. The
video portrayed the Clintons as drug smugglers, suggested they
sponsored Vincent Foster's murder, and insinuated they were thugs who
had their enemies and political adversaries killed.

* KENNETH STARR, Independent Counsel assigned to investigate Vince
Foster's death as part of the Whitewater Investigation, is a member of
the Christian Right and a public supporter of Israel.

* On October 11, 2002, Starr attended a pro-Israel rally in
Washington, DC hosted by Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the
Christian Right.

* Starr's wife, Alice Mendell, is Jewish and they have three children
together who are Jewish by birthright. (According to Jewish law, the
child of a Jewish woman is automatically Jewish, regardless of the
father's faith.)

* Starr's investigation concluded that Foster committed suicide;
however, Starr's ties to the Christian Right, Israel, and his Jewish
family render his findings tainted and compromised.

* REED IRVINE, head of right-wing Accuracy in Media, is implicated in
a conspiracy to murder Foster to thwart the Oslo Accords and cover up
the crime using his tax exempt organization, AIM.

* IRS tax records reveal that Irvine committed tax fraud by using
AIM's 501(c)(3) tax exempt status as a mechanism to finance a bogus
harassment lawsuit against the US Government filed by Foster
crime-scene witness and former head of security at the Saudi Arabian
embassy, Patrick Knowlton.

* Compelling evidence indicates that Knowlton murdered Foster,
assisted in the cover-up by Irvine.

* AIM&#8217;s 1995 IRS records indicate that one entity contributed
$630,000 and three other entities gave $400,000; $100,000; and $75,000
respectively. Similar amounts were donated to AIM in 1996, 1999, and
2000. (NOTE: Contributions were not shown in 1997 and 1998 IRS
reports.)

* Identities of contributors to 501(c)(3) tax exempt organizations,
like AIM, are not disclosed by the IRS for public inspection. This
policy was implemented per the "Privacy Act."

* Irvine operates another more secretive tax exempt organization
called the COUNCIL FOR THE DEFENSE OF FREEDOM, a political espionage
group with links to Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott and NYC Mayor
Michael Bloomberg.

* IRS records reveal the Council for the Defense of Freedom is a
sister corporation to AIM.

* IRS records reveal that AIM finances Jerry Falwell by funneling
money to the Maldon Institute via the Council for the Defense of
Freedom.

* The Maldon Institue is reportedly funded by the ADL, B'nai
B'rith and right-wing Clinton antagonist Richard Mellon Scaife.
(per watchdog group, "Public Eye")

* James Tyson, President of the Council for the Defense of Freedom, is
employed as a senior writer at Bloomberg News, founded by NYC Mayor
Michael Bloomberg in 1981.

* Public Eye cites Trent Lott as a principal with the Council for the
Defense of Freedom.

* ADMIRAL THOMAS HINMAN MOORER (retired) is a principal figure with
AIM and a member of AIM's advisory board. He is 90.

* Admiral Moorer is on the board of directors at Newsmax.

* Writers Len Colodny and Robert Gettlin asserted that Admiral Moorer
staged a bloodless coup against President Richard M. Nixon (aka,
Watergate) because Moorer opposed Nixon's efforts to establish détente
with the Soviet Union and end the war in Vietnam. (ref. "Silent Coup,"
1991)

* Moorer may have been a key figure in the conspiracy to assassinate
President Kennedy and send ground troops into Vietnam shortly
thereafter.

* Moorer was a Rear Admiral at the time of JFK's murder (1963), having
been promoted to that rank in the late 1950s.

* Dr. Pierre Finck (Colonel) stated that Admirals were present while
he and Dr. James Humes performed the autopsy on JFK at Bethesda Naval
Hospital. The presence of high ranking officers made it impossible for
the doctors to perform a genuine autopsy on the slain president.

* Admiral Moorer presently lives in Bethesda, MD. (His name is listed
in the phone book.)

* In June 1964, Admiral Moorer was elevated to Commander-in-Chief of
the United States Pacific Fleet, and promoted to the rank of full
admiral. Two months later, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident occurred which
set the stage for sending ground troops into Vietnam.

* During the Cold War, Admiral Moorer was vehemently opposed to
détente with the Soviet Union and China. (unlike JFK & Nixon)

* Renowned Washington Post writer and Watergate "investigative
reporter" BOB WOODWARD worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence in
1969, was a Lieutenant and the briefing officer for Admiral Moorer.
(per Colodny and Gettlin, ref. "Silent Coup,"pp. 69 - 71)

* A briefing officer sees, hears, reads, and assimilates information
from one of several sources and passes it on to more senior officers.
This is a coveted position for young officers seeking career
advancement. The work is often Top Secret.

* "Lieutenant" Woodward just wrote a book, "Bush at War," about
President George W. Bush and his war against terrorism.

READ HOW ISRAEL, THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT, REED IRVINE & AIM CONSPIRED TO
MURDER VINCE FOSTER AND DESTROY THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION:

Opening Statement
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_oslo_open.htm

Closing Argument(s) [TBD]

VIEW THE EVIDENCE

Discussion Forum
(125 emails, Usenet messages, & other communiqués)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/foster_discussion.htm

List of Exhibits (29 exhibits to date)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/exhibits_foster.htm

** This page was first published on November 23, 2002 and updated on
November 24th, 25th, 26th, December 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, & 7th.
 

(more DC Dave)
> it might well have been related to the stolen Promis software that
> apparently fell into the hands of a firm called Systematics, owned by
> Rose Law firm client, Jackson Stephens. Joseph Farah
>http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a2fccf1362.htm, Jim Norman, and
>Orlin Grabbe have written about the connection between Foster
>and Promis, but, to my knowledge, they have not mentioned any Israeli
>connection to the whole mess, which we see below in the Mirror of
London.
>
>This "evidence" of course, should also be regarded with the proper
amount of
>skepticism. When poking around in the nether world of spookdom,
>where plots like the Kennedy assassination, the Oklahoma City
bombing,
>and 9-11 are hatched, getting to the bottom of things can be dicey.
>Consider these "revelations" simply as tasty food for thought.
>
>ENGLAND: MAXWELL WORKED FOR MOSSAD
>
> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12419168&method=full&siteid=50143

>ROBERT MAXWELL WAS A MOSSAD SPY New claim on tycoon's mystery death
>By Gordon Thomas And Martin Dillon

Communiqué # 116: From "peacebeuponyou2000@yahoo.com" to DC Dave via 8 Usenet newsgroups, December 8, 2002 [128]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Adds noncommittal comments.
 

(Response to Communiqué # 114 from DC Dave)

Subject: Re: Foster-Israel Connection?
From: peacebeuponyou2000@yahoo.com (peacebeuponyou2000)
Date: 12/8/02 4:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <63267aa5.0212081302.64d5188d@posting.google.com>

like everything is always an either 'yes' or 'no' situation. was he a
spy?? No. Did he help spies?? probably. Was that his chief purpose
in life?? certainly not.
Guys like that are almost never very idealistic. The Mossad probably
killed him for screwing them over, too.

Just like the guy from Miami who founded all the speed boat
companies,Don Aronow, who was murdered by Drug Lords for helping the
DEA catch them, it's usually the bad guys that kill people like that,
not the good guys. All the good guys gotta do is suggest they are
stabbing the bad guys in the back and the bad guys kill them. That's
what the bad guys do best, kill.

Communiqué # 117: From Chip Berlet (Political Research Associates, aka, Public Eye) to Salvador, December 9, 2002 [129]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Chip Berlet (senior analysist with PRA/Public Eye) politely refuses Salvador's request to identify the David Martin who sat on AIM's advisory board in 1989.

(Response to Communiqué # 112 from Salvador)

From: "Chip Berlet" <cberlet@igc.org>
To: "'salvador_astucia@yahoo.com'" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Information Request
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:44:47 -0500

Dear Mr. Astucia:

Your information request has been passed on to me for an explanation of
our policy regarding this type of request.

First, let me point out our mission statement:

"Political Research Associates is an independent, nonprofit research
center that studies antidemocratic, authoritarian, and other oppressive
movements, institutions, and trends. PRA is based on progressive values,
and is committed to advancing an open, democratic, and pluralistic society.
PRA provides accurate, reliable research and analysis to activists,
journalists, educators, policy makers, and the public at large."

Political Research Associates collects and disseminates information
about "movements, institutions, and trends" and in the course of this we
sometimes identify key leaders by name and affiliation.

On our website is a large collection of materials under the name
"GroupWatch." GroupWatch, a collection of profiles of U. S. private
organizations and churches, was compiled by the Interhemispheric
Resource Center, Box 4506, Albuquerque, NM 87196:
< http://www.irc-online.org/ >.

Their work focused on issues related to U. S. foreign policy in Mexico,
Central America, and the Caribbean.

These pages contain the following note: "Note that this collection
includes a wide range of groups with a variety of political viewpoints.
Some, like the Heifer Project, appear to be what they seem-engaged in
charitable humanitarian efforts. Check when each article was last
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Communiqué # 118: From Salvador to Chip Berlet, December 9, 2002 [130]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador asks Chip Berlet to confirm or deny whether David Martin the principal with AIM was David Martin, the CBS Pentagon correspondent, or David Martin, the aide to Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut.

(Follow-up to Communiqués 112 & 117 from Salvador & Chip Berlet respectively)

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Information Request
To: "Chip Berlet" <cberlet@igc.org>

Dear Mr. Berlet,

Thank-you for your prompt response.

Without identifying anyone's address, could you at
least confirm or deny whether the David Martin
mentioned by Public Eye as a principal with Accuracy
in Media is (a) David Martin, the CBS Pentagon
correspondent, or (b) David Martin, the aide to
Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut?

Regards,

Salvador Astucia

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Communiqué # 119: From Slade Farney to Salvador, December 9, 2002 [131]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Slade Farney comments on Exhibit Z3, "The Clay Shaw trial testimony of Dr. Pierre Finck." Slade hints that "Finck" is a common Jewish name.

(response to Communiqué # 110 from Salvador)

Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:21:21 -0500
From: [sfarney@bigfoot.com]
To: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: The Clay Shaw trial testimony of Dr. Pierre Finck

Salvador Astucia <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The Clay Shaw trial testimony of Dr. Pierre Finck
>
>Posted Dec. 6, 2002, Salvador Astucia
>
>Readers and Participants:
>
>On February 24, 1969, Dr. Pierre Finck testified for
>New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison in the
>trial of Clay Shaw for conspiracy to assassinate
>President John F. Kennedy.

Hold it a sec.: Israel bumped off Kennedy, and one of the key witnesses
is named Dr. Finck? Salvadore, this is not a good sign. This is a
nightmare sequence from the Galactic Outer Limits: Sheep complains of hard
treatment, discovers she's talking to a wolf. Sheep files complaint
with the Board, discovers the Board is staffed with wolves. Writes to
Congressman, discovers Congressman Lupine is descended from long line of
wolves. Files civil suit, but can only get wolf lawyer, wolf judge,
and wolf jury. The final straw is when the expert witness for the sheep
shows up to testify, wagging his tail and chewing on a lamb-bone.

Schneider claims the wolves are only 3% of the population. What are
the chances for this predicament, I ask you.

--Slade

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Communiqué # 120: From Salvador to Slade Farney, December 9, 2002 [132]
Synopsis: (Final comments) Salvador asks Slade if he is saying that Finck is in fact a Jewish name.

(response to Communiqué # 119)

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:53:16 -0800 (PST)
From: "Salvador Astucia" <salvador_astucia@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: The Clay Shaw trial testimony of Dr. Pierre Finck
To: [sfarney@bigfoot.com]

In other words, you're saying "Finck" is a common
Jewish name, right?

Sorry, I guess I'm not an expert on [Jewish] names yet.

[...]

Salvador

[...]

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