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Reactions to argument that Chapman is innocent by Salvador Astucia, Dec. 13, 2004 (last updated Dec. 14, 2004)
This article is a follow-up to a previous article which argued the innocence of Mark David Chapman, the man imprisoned for killing John Lennon. Here is the original article:
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![]() Figure A: The diagram above was published in the New York Times on Dec. 10, 1980. It shows Chapman standing behind Lennon, to his right. The accompanying caption reads as follows:
…Mr. Lennon and Yoko Ono left their car (1), while the assailant (2) waited inside the arch. As they walked by (3), he fired. Mr. Lennon staggered up into a room (4) where he fell, fatally wounded.
Figure B: Rear view of John and Yoko walking out the Dakota entrance to West 72nd St. In the photo, John is approximately at the same place Chapman reportedly stood when the shots were fired on Dec. 8, 1980. |
GRAPHICS1968: The New York Times picture (See Figure A) gives a distorted view of the scene (as usual for the news.) The entranceway is nowhere near that large. A limo can barely fit through the gates. The Times shows the opening about the length of the car.
SALVADOR: True, the sketch looks slightly off proportionally, but that doesn't change the positions of where the two men stood? The sketch was drawn and published less than 48 hours after the crime was committed so they didn't have much time for quality assurance. Unless a sketch like that is labeled "drawn to scale," then no one expects it to be drawn in the same exact proportion as real life. You seem to be suggesting that the diagram is completely invalid because it was not drawn to scale. If Chapman had ever been given a trial, no judge would buy such a ridiculous argument. I expect the judge would ask the artist where he/she obtained the information. In this case, it appears that the information was obtained from the NYPD because they were referenced several times as sources for various facts in the accompanying NYT article.
Regarding the actual width of the Dakota entrance, I went there in the spring of 2003 and estimated the dimensions of the entire entrance which I later diagramed. The width of the entryway—asphalt only—is about 8 feet. The left and right curbs on either side of the entryway are about 3.5 feet wide each. The total width of the entryway from wall to wall is about 15 feet. (Click here to see diagram with dimensions.) Figure B is a photo of John and Yoko walking out the Dakota entrance. John is approximately at the same place Chapman reportedly stood when the shots were fired on Dec. 8, 1980. As you can see, there was plenty of space for John to have walked away from Chapman, which would be to the left in the context of the New York Times diagram, Figure A.
Also, you failed to address the fact that Chapman stood on the right side of the entrance when he got Lennon's autograph several hours earlier. So that's two independent sources that show Chapman standing on the right side of the entrance. That means when Lennon walked in the entrance (after returning from the studio), Chapman was standing on the right side of Lennon. Consequently, one has to ask: how could all four bullets have entered the left side of Lennon's body if Chapman fired from the right side?
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Figure C: Lennon signs autograph for Chapman, hours before shooting, Dec. 8, 1980. |
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MISTER CHARLIE: As to the famous photo of Chapman and Lennon together (Figure C) ...photos get flipped all the time. I have seen the photo of John and Chapman where their positions are reversed. You mention a second correlation showing him on Lennon's right. I don't get what this second confirmation is. Maybe the widely disseminated photo is in fact reversed. Beyond that, I do not understand your contention that because the picture shows Chapman on his right when he autographed DF for him that this has ANYthing to do with where Chapman was *hours* later when John came home from recording. That picture was NOT taken right before the crime you know.
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SALVADOR:
You're looking for "absolute proof," something I admit I cannot TOM JOAD:
There's several problems with your conspiracy theory or other gunman theory.
First, you rely on a newspaper's account of what happened and their diagram.
Newspapers and the media are notorious for getting it wrong. Second, the
bullets that were taken from the body matched the weapon in forensic
testing. Third, Yoko Ono and the doorman witnessed the entire scene. Fourth,
Why would Chapman spend his life in prison and the rest of his life hated by
the world and unable to even be in a general population prison. He is
virtually isolated from any human contact less 3 or 4 of the same rotating
guards. AARON
CLAUSEN: Tell me, what does your family think of you? Do they agree? Do
they just nod whenever you begin talking? I'm curious as to this bit of your
psychology. |
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