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From: "Eric B." <smartypa...@nyc.rr.com>
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Why does claiming someone is Jewish make them anti-semetic?
I looked over Salvador's website I don't see any hate or words like 'kike".
Did I miss something?
Please explain.
Eric B.
"UEF" <n...@real.com> wrote in message
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> Anti-semite :/
>
> Go back to sitting on your porch and shooting guns or whatever it is you
> americans do.
>
>
> "SilentCoupSal" <silentcoup...@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:20040616051501.19313.00000061@mb-m04.news.cs.com...
> > http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Epilogue.htm#Macca_eth
> >
> > ===
> > Ordering information for Salvador Astucia's books can be found at
> > http://www.jfkmontreal.com/raveningwolf/
> >
> > Also see Astucia's homepage: http://www.jfkmontreal.com
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From: silentcoup...@cs.com (SilentCoupSal)
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Date: 17 Jun 2004 05:56:53 GMT
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Subject: Re: McCartney's ethnicity
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[Eric B.]
>Why does claiming someone is Jewish make them anti-semetic?
>
>I looked over Salvador's website I don't see any hate or words
> like 'kike".
>Did I miss something?
>
>Please explain.
>
>Eric B.
There is no logical explanation. America is a Zionist Occupied
Country, and if a Gentile even dares utter or write the word
"Jew", he is called anti-semetic. It's similar to slavery days
when black people weren't allowed to look whites in the eyes.
Here's an example (below) of why a lot of Jews dislike me,
although the information is presented in an understated style.
The following chapter is from my first book, Opium Lords:
Israel, the Golden Triangle, and the Kennedy Assassination:
Chapter 13: Religion and Politics
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/religion_and_politics.htm
I've also promoted the following educational website,
although I am not the author:
http://www.come-and-hear.com
But back to Paul, so what if he's Jewish? It doesn't change
my opinion of him. :-)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Epilogue.htm#Macca_eth
Salvador
>"UEF" <n...@real.com> wrote in message
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>> Anti-semite :/
>>
>> Go back to sitting on your porch and shooting guns or whatever it is you
>> americans do.
>>
>>
>> "SilentCoupSal" <silentcoup...@cs.com> wrote in message
>> news:20040616051501.19313.00000061@mb-m04.news.cs.com...
>> > http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Epilogue.htm#Macca_eth
>> >
===
Ordering information for Salvador Astucia's books can be found at
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/raveningwolf/
Also see Astucia's homepage: http://www.jfkmontreal.com
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"Mister Charlie" <smokerdudeTROL...@myway.com> wrote in message
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> >
> I retract my remarks about you being a sock puppet. Some good points
> here.
Thanks. I really just like to hear other people's opinions. Although I
disagree with some of Sal's conclusions I'm not ready to write him off as a
nutter just yet. As they say, even a broken watch is right twice a day. :)
If you want to see a real nutter go read some of vic bonds posts to
alt.music.mccartney.
Some of Salvador's research actually overlapped some of my own. But I came
to different conclusions.
I do believe that there are some conspiracy theories that are true. And I
find them interesting. Years ago if people said the government gave them LSD
they would be called insane. We now know that there was a CIA operation
called MK-Ultra that did just that. I guess what I am saying is I like to
keep an open mind and reserve judgement. If someone convinces me their point
of view is valid I have no problem abandoning my own.
>
> But honestly, who the fuck cares what Sal thinks about Hey Juse or
> anything?
I figure if he has an opinion on "Hey Jude" it will either be enlightening,
or entertaining. :)
Eric B.
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From: "Salvador Astucia" <cropduster...@cs.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: Muslim Brotherhood Denies Holocaust
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Someone forged Salvador Astucia's ID and wrote:
> The Muslim brotherhood are our modern day heroes for exposing the
> Jewish conspiracies of the 20th century.
> It takes an Arab to know and expose another Arab.
>
>
> Salvador
>
> http://www.jfkmontreal.com
It's too bad things had to sink to this low. The last thing I wrote
before all Hell broke loose was I asked Fattuc if he would admit that
Hitler was not the Devil in human form. Believe it or not, in some
circles, to deny Hitler was the Devil is the same as denying the
Holocaust. Apparently this is one of those circles.
Also, Fattuc did not know (or he pretended not to know) that the above
posting was a forgery, and he replied to it as follows:
"Gee, I hadn't gotten up to this idiotic post yet! It is my
understanding the Muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization or a
borderline terrorist organization, responsible for killing innocent
people. I don't know if you live in the United States, but perhaps
President Bush and his friends might be interested in your posts, Sal.
The U.S. government does not take kindly to individuals who support
known terrorist organizations.
"Belong to any interesting organizations? Ever send money to the
Brotherhood? I'm sure the Department of Homeland Security would like
to know."
(Posted by Fattuc on Jan 4, 2:04 am)
Apparently I confused Fattuc with too much logic, and he blew a gasket.
I should have known that asking him to deny Hitler was the Devil was
too much to expect. The next thing I know, someone's forging my ID and
Fattuc is accusing me of being a terrorist. (See re-post below.)
What next, will he call the FBI? (Either that, or the nearest gay bar.
Not much difference.)
Anyway, since Fattuc et al failed to define what the Holocaust is, and
what constitutes Holocaust Denial, I will lay it out for everyone to
see.
To be in good standing with the Holocaust Police, one must believe the
following five points about the Holocaust:
1. Six million Jews died at the hands of the Nazis between the 1938 and
1945.
2. The main cause of death was mass execution or genocide (as opposed
to typhus and starvation).
3. Hitler had a master plan to exterminate Jews.
4. Gas chambers were the main killing tool, although the exact number
of deaths from gas chambers is uncertain.
5. Hitler was not a human being. He was the Devil in human form.
Anyone who challenges or questions any of these five points will be
branded a Holocaust Denier.
Salvador
http://www.jfkmontreal.com
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Date: 3 Jan 2006 19:48:55 -0800
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Subject: Re: OT: Muslim Brotherhood Denies Holocaust
fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The phrase "Holocaust denier" can mean different things to
> different people. I don't think there is any one agreed upon
> definition. However, with all due respect, it just seems to me that if
> someone tries to argue that Jews were merely "relocated to work camps"
> for some benign purpose as opposed to forcibly transferred to
> concentration camps, that person would be a denier IMHO.
So if one refers to the "camps" as just camps, or work camps, that
automatically makes him/her a Holocaust denier. Correct? Even if a
person acknowledges that a large number of Jews were placed in these
camps against their wills and subsequently died there, you're claiming
that people with such beliefs are still Holocaust Deniers simply
because they refer to the camps as "work camps" rather than "death
camps." How absurd. We both know this is extremely unfair. By forcing
people to use the term "death camp" instead of "work camp" (even if
everyone agrees that tragic deaths occurred in those camps), you are
eliminating all debate regarding motive. If it is a given that the
so-called death camps by definition were intended to commit mass
murder, then there's no debate. Right? In case you forgot about the
precise debate regarding motive, here it is again: Did the Nazis (or
Hitler) intend to commit mass murder when they initially sent Jews and
others to these so-called camps (work camps, just plain camps,
detainment camps? pick a name), or was there an outbreak of typhus in
these camps in a period just before the worldwide production and
availability of antibiotics and other modern medicines that might have
slowed down such an epidemic? I guess we're not allowed to debate such
hateful notions. Right? Thank God we still have free speech in America,
even if most other countries do not, particularly when it comes to
discussing the Holocaust. The real irony is the Holocaust paranoia
crowd does not even know how to define Holocaust Denial. Yet people are
imprisoned all the time in non-USA countries for doing just that,
whatever it is.
> Now you raise a question about the number of dead Jews. Some
> Jewish people are sensitive about the 6 million number; however to me,
> whether the true number is 6.1 million or 5.2 million, I would not
> consider that to change the fact that there was a Holocaust. Even 1
> million dead Jews is 1 million too many. So if I had a discussion with
> someone who claimed the number was somewhat exaggerated, I would not
> consider them a denier IMHO, but I would have to first see their other
> arguments.
That's a start.
Allow me to give you another example of Holocaust paranoia, since
you're having trouble defining Holocaust denial.
Some Holocaust fanatics suggest that Hitler was not a human being, but
the Devil in human form.
Do you believe he was a human being? If so, could you type a full
sentence stating such a belief? It may seem like a silly request, but a
lot of fanatics will become incensed if anyone makes such a statement.
Salvador
http://www.jfkmontreal.com
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