Subject: Re: Did the Apostle Paul distort Jesus's message?
From: salastucia@cs.com (Salastucia)
Date: 6/27/02 7:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <20020627101349.26822.00001400@mb-da.news.cs.com>
 

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"Salvadorwriter" <salvadorwriter@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20020626185742.16406.00001144@mb-fz.news.cs.com...

> > Click here, then scroll down a bit.
>>
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/religion_and_politics.htm#Page_277

"bob" <nowave@speakeasy.net> replied:
> Trying to convince Christians that Paul is a Jewish
> agent and not an 'Apostle' is like trying to convince
> astro-physicists that the moon landing was faked.
> You immediately go from being someone with
> something to say - to - a wack job with an
> aggenda. Try to be a little more subtle please.
> robert

Sadly, modern Christianity deals more with the words of the false prophet Paul
rather than the teachings of Jesus. The Pharisees were the enemies of Jesus and
the enemies of truth--just as their Talmudic by-products are today. Few
Christians truly understand what the Pharisees taught because it is not covered
in the Bible. The books of the Talmud are based on the teachings of the
Pharisees. To understand why Jesus held such contempt towards this ancient sect
of elitists, Christians must have some knowledge of the books of the Talmud—a
set of 63 books written by ancient rabbis. These books contain the legal code
which is the basis of Judaism and Jewish law. It was edited centuries after the
birth of Jesus and is the textbook used to train rabbis.

In fact, Talmudic Judaism is primarily a legal system in a literal sense. It
has little to do with religion. It is more of an ancient political cult group
with many followers who are not openly Jewish. This is why so many Jews openly
claim to be Jewish and atheist at the same time. This is unacceptable in other
religions—or geniune religions, to be more precise.

Jesus was completely opposed to this political cult group and given the price
that Jesus paid for his opposition, it should be considered the highest form of
blasphemy among Christians to state that he was a Jew, as modern Christians
routinely assert. He was not! His rejection of Jewish law could not have been
stronger. This is why he was killed. This is a point that Paul tap-danced
around. Jesus was extremely wise, but he was also militant and revolutionary.
Paul was a politician.

The Jewish priests who sponsored the execution of Jesus had nothing but
contempt for him and his followers. This tradition has been continued for
centuries as the books of the Talmud were written. Here are some passages from
the Talmud which explain why Jews have been persecuted from time to time
through the past two millennia:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/talmud.htm

Paul was a Pharisee—an enemy of Jesus--who put a happy face on Christianity.
But "feel good" words do not make him a follower of Jesus. The often eloquent
words of Paul remind me of what Shakespeare wrote long ago in Hamlet:

"One may smile and smile and still be a villain."

It is time Christians everywhere—especially the Roman Catholic
Church—realize that Paul played them for fools. It is reasonable to believe
that Jesus was the son of God. It is even more reasonable to believe that Paul
was a false prophet who ignored the teachings of Jesus. Christians have become
so lost that some denominations—namely the Evangelicals—are essentially
Jews for all intents and purposes. The only difference between Jews and
Evangelicals like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell is that Evangelicals believe
if you repeat the name Jesus enough times, then you’re a Christian. Other
than that, they’re Jews. They ignore the teachings of Jesus, they support
Israel, and they look to the Old Testament for guidance.

When Jesus said to beware of false prophets, he was warning his followers about
the likes of Paul the Pharisee who claimed to be an Apostle.

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly
they are ravening wolves."

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/false_prophets.htm

Salvador Astucia

-----
Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords," the book that solved JFK's
assassination.

Read online at http://www.jfkmontreal.com

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Subject: Re: Did the Apostle Paul distort Jesus's message?
From: salvadorwriter@cs.com (Salvadorwriter)
Date: 6/27/02 7:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <20020627223857.20862.00000944@mb-da.news.cs.com>

[alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic]

>salastucia@cs.com (Salastucia) wrote in message
>news:<20020627101349.26822.00001400@mb-da.news.cs.com>...

>> When Jesus said to beware of false prophets, he
>> was warning his followers about the likes of
>> Paul the Pharisee who claimed to be an Apostle.

zubair@mediaone.net (munyas) responded:
> One wonders, if Paul was the false prophet, why
> did Jesus not name him specifically as the false
> prophet? He [prophesied] the betrayal of Judas,
> and denounced the pharisees so specifically.

Jesus did not know Paul. But he advised us on how to recognize those who want
to manipulate us with disingenuous words. This includes Paul, but it includes
many others as well.

Jesus's words via Salvador:
>> "Beware of false prophets, which come to you
>> in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are
>> ravening wolves."

munyas:
> Beware of false prophet implies that there will
> be a true prophet.
>
> Why didn't he say, "All who claim to be prophets
> from now on will be false"?

You seem to think doing God’s work is like playing a game or writing a
computer program. There are people in the world who genuinely want to do good
without personal gain. We should view such people as prophets who should not be
ignored. But we should learn to differentiate between those good people from
those who act only out of self-interest or for a fanatic cause. We should
"beware of false prophets."

For example, any person of prominence who tells the American public that Lee
Harvey Oswald alone killed President Kennedy is a false prophet. This includes
every person of prominence in the American news media and the US Federal
Government. On November 22, 1963, the United States government was overthrown
by Israel and is now controlled by Israel. And the Israeli people are
practitioners of Pharisaic law—Talmudic law—which is the enemy of truth,
Jesus, and God. The following URL demonstrates this point:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/religion_and_politics.htm

And how are we supposed to identify false prophets? This is what Jesus said:

[16] "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or
figs of thistles?

Basically, Jesus was telling us to listen closely to what influential people
tell us. If their words do not make sense, then we should ignore them. Hence,
they are false prophets. The American people need to heed His words. For
Americans are easily duped by false prophets on television, the newspapers, and
on and on and on. We are oppressed through manipulation of information by
influential people. But we are oppressed because we CHOOSE to be oppressed. We
are sheep passively being led to slaughter. And we reward the war mongers and
mock the peacemakers. We have become a damnable nation. We need to listen
closely to what we are being told about September 11, 2001. The following URL
provides a different perspective from what the American public is being told by
the media:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/conclusion.htm#Page_324

Let’s look at the rest of Jesus’s comments about false prophets. [Matthew 7]

[17] "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree
bringeth forth evil fruit.

If someone is speaking from the heart, then the truth becomes self-evident.
Figuratively, a sincere person brings forth good fruit. They may stumble
occasionally, but they will never fall. If someone is NOT speaking from the
heart, that too becomes self-evident because, figuratively speaking, that
individual brings forth evil fruit.

[18] "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.

It is impossible for someone with a pure heart NOT to do God’s work. It is
equally impossible for someone with a cynical, corrupt heart to do His work.

[19] "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into
the fire.

[20] "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Jesus meant that actions speak louder than words. Previously I quoted from
Hamlet where Shakespeare wrote, "One may smile and smile and still be a
villain." Do not be deceived by a smiling face or happy words. Villains often
smile and flatter people. But their fruits—their actions--are malevolent.

[21] "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

This is very clear. Jesus was stating that it is meaningless to say that you
love Him when you do not strive to do God’s will—to make the world a better
place in which to live, to put the good of others over your personal welfare or
even your family’s. The Evangelical Christians are the worst offenders of
this. No one loves to praise Jesus more than the Evangelicals, but they also
praise those who crucified Him (Israel), they praise those who practice the
teachings of the Pharisees. These are the rabbis of the world, most of whom
spread the evil teachings from the books of the Talmud (the Pharisaic
teachings). The Evangelicals claim to love Jesus, yet they adore those who
mocked and killed Him. They also praise those who belittle the cross and all
symbols of Him. Yet no one praises Jesus by name more than the Pat Robertsons
and the Jerry Falwells of the world.

[22] "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works?

[23] "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity.

Beware Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Jesus was speaking of people like you.

[24] "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will
liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Anyone who understands that we must beware of false prophets is on solid ground
in the eyes of God. We should look for false prophets when listening to media
reports about looming terror, the events of September 11, 2001, and the ongoing
war against terrorism in Afghanistan which could possibly spread to Pakistan if
the Talmudists in Washington get their wishes. And what fruits will we yield
from continued fighting in those two countries? OPIUM!!!! Afghanistan and
Pakistan are two of the biggest opium producers in the world! Do not deceive
yourselves into thinking we are fighting in those to drug-producing nations by
mere coincidence, or because of Osama Bin Laden, or because the Taliban
oppresses women! THE TALIBAN OUTLAWED OPIUM AND ALL NARCOTICS!!

AMERICA IS BACKING DRUG DEALERS—THE NORTHERN ALLIANCE!

This tree brings forth evil fruit. It must be "hewn down, and cast into the fire!"

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO205B.html

[25] "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat
upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Those who are on solid ground with God cannot be shaken by anything. Not wind,
rain, or floods can stop them.

[26] "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

Those who are gullible and follow the teachings of false prophets are NOT on
solid ground in the eyes of God. Sadly, this includes almost ALL
Americans---the most gullible people on the face of the earth.

[27] "And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat
upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Those who follow the paths of false prophets are doomed. They may acquire
wealth and material things, but they will never know inner peace. They will
never understand the joy of doing something for humanity—for God—simply
because it is the right thing to do. Sadly, too many people—especially
high-ranking officials within the US government—make all decisions based
purely on self-interest.

> That would take care of Paul's "mischiefs" and
> that of all others who claimed to be prophets.

If Paul’s words do not make sense, they must be discarded. They cannot be
rationalized or "taken care of," as you stated. Paul—like all men—must be
judged by his "fruits." But Paul’s fruits are tantamount to "grapes of
thorns" and "figs of thistles."

Paul was a tree that brought forth bad fruit. Consequently his fruit (his
teachings) must be "hewn down, and cast into the fire."

Salvador

------
Salvador Astucia, author of "Opium Lords" (416 pages), the book that solved the
JFK murder.

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