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Lennon didn't turn around....
Subject: John Lennon
case: Lennon didn't turn around....
From: salvadorwriter@cs.com (Salvadorwriter)
Date: 8/16/03 5:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20030816173053.06755.00000975@mb-m03.news.cs.com>
[Salvador:]
>> There is no evidence whatsoever to
>> support the assertion that Chapman
>> called Lennon's name.
>>
>> That's part of the "official cover story"
>> but there's no evidence to back it up.
>> No witness has ever gone on record
>> claiming that Chapman called Lennon's
>> name. Although Chapman foolishly
>> pled guilty to a crime he did not
>> commit, he made a point of telling
>> the sentencing judge, Justice Dennis
>> Edwards, that neither he or Lennon
>> exchanged words at the time of the
>> shooting.
[Phil Dogglebe:]
> Even if Chapman did not call him,
> there's no reason to believe that
> Lennon didn't turn around.
Why on earth would Lennon turn
around if no one called his name?
Talk about absurd logic. The evidence
shows that Lennon did not turn around
because Chapman did not call his name.
The entire notion that Chapman called to
Lennon and Lennon turned around is
a complete fabrication, part of the cover
story. There is no evidence--direct or
circumstantial--to demonstrate that those
events occurred. Therefore, they should
be discounted completely because there
is no evidence whatsoever indicating
that the stated events occurred, no
eye-witness testimony, nothing. Pure
propaganda. Grant it, it's the official
version, but it's pure poppycock.
Salvador
Previous message: ...Patrolman
Cullen's integrity....
Subject: John
Lennon's murder -- Patrolman Cullen's integrity....
From: salvadorwriter@cs.com (Salvadorwriter)
Date: 8/16/03 4:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20030816163108.06138.00000062@mb-m19.news.cs.com>
[Salvador:]
>> In 1987, Chapman allowed James Gaines, with
>> People Magazine, to interview him. Afterwards
>> Gaines wrote a series of articles. The following
>> is an excerpt from one of them entitled, The Man
>> Who Shot John Lennon:
>>
>> ---quote on---
>> Patrolman Peter Cullen of New York’s 20th
>> precinct was in the first police car to respond
>> to the report of shots fired at the Dakota
>> apartment house at 72nd Street and Central
>> Park West....His first thought was that the
>> handyman was the shooter. When the doorman
>> indicated it was Chapman, Cullen’s instincts
>> were offended. "He looked like a guy who
>> worked in a bank, an office. Not a loser
>> or anything, just a guy out there trying
>> to earn a living. I remember taking a look
>> at him and saying, ‘Why? What did you do
>> here?’ He really had no answer for it. He
>> did say several times, ‘I’m sorry I gave
>> you guys so much trouble.’ "
>> ---quote off---
>>
>> (James R. Gaines, People Magazine, Feb. 23,
>> 1987, The Man Who Shot Lennon, p 59)
[Phil Dogglebe:]
> It's not that uncommon for a cop's first hunch
> to be wrong; especially when he draws it
> immediately upon arrival at the crime scene.
>
> Keep in mind, also, that Cullen was a patrolman
> and not a trained homicide detective....This
> doesn't say anything at all. What do we know
> about Cullen? How long was he on the force
> when this happened? Where is he now? Did
> you interview him?
No, but I sent two letters to the NYPD requesting
the personal notes of officers Peter Cullen and
Steven Spiro, the two policemen who arrested
Chapman. I specifically requested personal notes
about the Lennon case. The NYPD refused to release
the officers' personal notes, claiming release
of the requested information "would represent an
unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."
Here are the two letters I sent to the NYPD:
Request for Cullen's personal notes:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_o.htm
Request for Spiro's personal notes:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_p.htm
Here are the NYPD's rejection letters for both
requests:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_r.htm
and
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_s.htm
[Salvador:]
>> Another reason to believe the shots came
>> from the doorway leading to the service
>> elevator is because that location matches
>> the wounds on Lennon's body. The doorway
>> is on Lennon's left; Lennon's wounds are
>> on the left.
[Phil Dogglebe:]
> Chapman called out Lennon's name. Lennon
> turned to face him. Chapman fired.
There is no evidence whatsoever to
support the assertion that Chapman
called Lennon's name.
That's part of the "official cover story"
but there's no evidence to back it up.
No witness has ever gone on record
claiming that Chapman called Lennon's
name. Although Chapman foolishly
pled guilty to a crime he did not
commit, he made a point of telling
the sentencing judge, Justice Dennis
Edwards, that neither he or Lennon
exchanged words at the time of the
shooting.
The following is an excerpt from the
transcript of the sentencing hearing
for Mark David Chapman which occurred
on June 22, 1981:
THE PLAYERS:
Judge: Justice Dennis Edwards
Assistant DA: Allan Sullivan
Court appointed defense attorney:
Jonathon Marks
---quote on---
Edwards: What was Mr. Lennon doing just
before you started to fire the shots at
him?
Chapman: He was approaching the door
that would lead to up to the security
area.
Edwards: And what were you doing just
immediately before you fired the shot?
Chapman: A second before?
Edwards: Yes. Or a moment before. In
other words, as you were standing. Did
you stand and wait for him?
Chapman: Yes, your Honor, as he did. As
he passed me I stepped off the curb and
walked a few steps over, turned, withdrew
my pistol and aimed at him in his direction
and fired off five shots in quick succession.
Edwards: Did you say anything at or about
that time?
Chapman: No, your Honor.
Edwards: Do you recall if the victim
said anything that you heard?
Chapman: No, your Honor.
---quote off---
SOURCE:
Fenton Bresler, Who Killed John Lennon?
(1989), pp 294-300 (transcript of Chapman’s
sentencing hearing with Judge Dennis Edwards)
Click here to see a detailed transcript of
the sentencing hearing:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/app_c_sentencinghearing.htm
[...]
Salvador
previous message: ...2nd shooter from 2nd doorway....
Subject: Lennon's
murder - 2nd shooter from 2nd doorway....
From: salvadorwriter@cs.com (Salvadorwriter)
Date: 8/16/03 12:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <20030816124509.12079.00000052@mb-m20.news.cs.com>
[Salvador:]
>>>>>>>> Here is a scanned copy of the letter I
>>>>>>>> received from Ms. Borakove where she refused
>>>>>>>> to release John Lennon's autopsy report:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_n.htm
[Alex Rodriguez:]
>>>>>>> Have you tried doing what the letter suggests, asking
>>>>>>> the NOK for permission? I would imagine that an
>>>>>>> autopsy is like a medical record in that it is not a
>>>>>>> public record and you need permission of the person
>>>>>>> or the NOK to see it. I see nothing wrong with that.
[Salvador:]
>>>>>> By "next of kin," Ms. Borakove means Yoko Ono.
>>>>>> Sorry, but I don't have access to celebrities of such
>>>>>> stature. If Ms. Borakove was honest (big IF), she
>>>>>> would contact Yoko herself and let her know of my
>>>>>> request. I'm certain the NYC medical examiner's
>>>>>> office has access to Yoko, more than I do.
[Phil Dogglebe:]
>>>>> Why would Borakove do this for you? It's not part
>>>>> of her job. And why would she have more access
>>>>> to Yoko Ono than you?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you wrote a book on John Lennon, you should
>>>>> have Yoko's address. Send her a letter.
[Salvador:]
>>>> Yes, I know her address, but I am not going to
>>>> play Ms. Borakove's silly little game. She can
>>>> release the autopsy report if she wants.
[Phil Dogglebe:]
>>> You're not going to play her silly little game,
>>> but you want her to play yours, right? Even
>>> if Borakove was allowed to give them out, do
>>> you really think she has time for this? How
>>> many people do you think have asked for
>>> the reports?
>>>
>>> If you actually had any real evidence to
>>> support your claims, you could present
>>> it to Yoko and she would give the okay
>>> for you to get the files.
[Salvador:]
>> There are two big reasons not to ask Yoko
>> for permission. First, it would be a waste
>> of time because it is quite obvious that
>> Borakove has no intention of releasing
>> the autopsy report under any circumstance.
>> If Yoko gives me permission, I have no
>> doubt that Borakove et al will come up with
>> another way to stall or obstruct. She could
>> claim the report got lost during the blackout.
>> She could claim anything. It really doesn't
>> matter because I already know generally what
>> the autopsy report says because it was
>> described two days after the murder in
>> the New York Times by writer Paul
>> Montgomery.
>>
>> Here's an excerpt:
>>
>> ---quote on---
>> The Lennons returned to the Dakota at
>> about 10:50 pm alighting from their limousine
>> on the 72nd Street curb although the car
>> could have driven through the entrance
>> and into the courtyard. Chief of Detectives
>> James T. Sullivan said three witnesses--a
>> doorman at the entrance, an elevator
>> operator and a cab driver who had just
>> dropped off a passenger--saw Mr. Chapman
>> standing in the shadows just under the arch.
>> As the couple walked by, Chief Sullivan
>> said, Mr. Chapman called, "Mr. Lennon."
>> Then, he said, the assailant dropped into
>> "a combat stance" and emptied his pistol
>> at the singer. According to the autopsy, four
>> shots struck Mr. Lennon, two in the left side
>> of his back and two in his left shoulder. All
>> four caused internal damage and bleeding.
>> According to the police, Mr. Lennon
>> staggered up six steps to the room at the
>> end of the entrance used by the concierge,
>> said "I’m shot," then fell face down.
>> ---quote off---
>>
>> (Paul L. Montgomery, NYT, Dec. 10, 1980,
>> Police Trace Tangled Path Leading to
>> Lennon’s Slaying at the Dakota, p A1)
>>
>> I'll repeat the key sentences:
>>
>> "According to the autopsy, four shots struck
>> Mr. Lennon, two in the left side of his back
>> and two in his left shoulder. All four caused
>> internal damage and bleeding."
>>
>> So we know all four wounds were on the
>> left side of Lennon's body. Now look at the
>> following diagram which accompanied
>> Montgomery's article:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_j_nyt_crimescenediagram.htm
>> Interesting, Chapman is standing on the right
>> side of Lennon, a few feet behind him. Yet the
>> autopsy report--as described by Montgomery
>> --says Lennon's wounds were on the left side
>> of his body.
[Phil Dogglebe:]
> Where were these bullets supposed to go?
> To the right? Maybe the gun pulled to
> the side. Maybe Chapman isn't that great
> of a shot; the fact that he didn't hit
> Lennon with every shot indicates this.
That's a very good question, Mr. Dogglebe.
There are several accounts of shattered glass
and bullet holes in glass doors; however, the
specific location of the doors is somewhat
ambiguous. In the book, Who Killed John Lennon?,
writer Fenton Bresler presented excerpts of
Police Officer Steve Spiro's personal notes
describing the crime scene. Regarding bullet
holes in glass doors, Spiro wrote: "Turning
to my right with the suspect [Chapman] I see
the doorman, another male, and at least three
bullet holes in the glass doors. My gun is
now pointed toward the doorway."* That
description leads me to believe Spiro was
referring to the glass doors leading to the
lobby; however, there is also a door, across
from the lobby, which leads to the service
elevator. To my knowledge, I am the only
writer to mention the door leading to the
service elevator, so it is doubtful that
Bresler was referring to that door. In
addition, the door leading to the service
elevator, as it is today, does not appear
to be made of glass, (see Exhibit I) although
it is uncertain if today's door is the same
one there in 1980. In short, the precise
location of the glass doors containing the
three or more bullet holes remains an
anomaly, but it appears to be the lobby
doors. Further research is required to
corroborate this conclusion.
* Fenton Bresler, Who Killed John Lennon?
(1989), pp 229 & 232. One of five bullets
fired at Lennon goes astray. (p 229) Police
Officer Steve Spiro's account: ... "Turning
to my right with the suspect [Chapman] I
see the doorman, another male, and at least
three bullet holes in the glass doors. My
gun is now pointed toward the doorway." (p 232)
[Salvador:]
>> Now look at this shot of the entryway in the
>> Dakota.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_g_serviceelevator.htm
>> There's a door on the left that leads to a service
>> elevator. (The service elevator was also shown
>> in the NYT diagram.)
>>
>> The door leading to the service elevator is directly
>> across from the lobby doorway, where Lennon
>> collapsed after being shot. Here's the lobby stairs
>> from a distance. (I wasn't allowed to go any closer
>> when I took the picture. The doorman said I could
>> only take pictures from the sidewalk.)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_f_lobbystairs.htm
>> Now take a look at the doorway across from
>> the lobby doorway. I snapped a picture of
>> the doorway with the door open; people
>> were unloading an SUV, taking their luggage
>> to the service elevator.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/exhibit_i_doortoservice.htm
>> There's definitely a doorway across from the
>> lobby doorway. The true gunman shot Lennon
>> from the second doorway, the one that leads
>> to the service elevator.
[Phil Dogglebe:]
> You keep bringing up this doorway, but offer
> nothing to suggest that the killer stood there.
> What proof do you have besides a door being
> there? Did a security camera record someone
> there? Were spent casings from the weapon
> found there?
In 1987, Chapman allowed James Gaines, with
People Magazine, to interview him. Afterwards
Gaines wrote a series of articles. The following
is an excerpt from one of them entitled, The Man
Who Shot John Lennon:
---quote on---
Patrolman Peter Cullen of New York’s 20th
precinct was in the first police car to respond
to the report of shots fired at the Dakota
apartment house at 72nd Street and Central
Park West....His first thought was that the
handyman was the shooter. When the doorman
indicated it was Chapman, Cullen’s instincts
were offended. "He looked like a guy who
worked in a bank, an office. Not a loser
or anything, just a guy out there trying
to earn a living. I remember taking a look
at him and saying, ‘Why? What did you do
here?’ He really had no answer for it. He
did say several times, ‘I’m sorry I gave
you guys so much trouble.’ "
---quote off---
(James R. Gaines, People Magazine, Feb. 23,
1987, The Man Who Shot Lennon, p 59)
Actually Cullen was one of the arresting
officers. The police report indicates that
he assisted Officer Stephen Spiro.
Interesting that one of the arresting officers
didn't think Chapman was guilty. Cullen thought
it was the "handyman."
The handyman is likely the same individual
identified by Paul Montgomery (NYT writer)
as an "elevator operator." Recall the previous
statement from from Montgomery's NYT article
(previously cited):
"Chief of Detectives James T. Sullivan said
three witnesses--a doorman at the entrance,
an elevator operator and a cab driver who
had just dropped off a passenger--saw Mr.
Chapman standing in the shadows just under
the arch."
(Paul Montgomery, NYT, Dec. 10, 1980,
Police Trace Tangled Path Leading to
Lennon’s Slaying at the Dakota, p A1)
Another reason to believe the shots came
from the doorway leading to the service
elevator is because that location matches
the wounds on Lennon's body. The doorway
is on Lennon's left; Lennon's wounds are
on the left.
In addition, that doorway is a perfect
spot for an assassin's lair. The doorway
allows quick access to a loading dock
in an alley beside the Dakota. Across
the alley from the loading dock is
an underground parking facility.
It's quite possible the true assassin
had an entire support team who could
easily flee from the crime scene
afterwards.
Here are photographs of the alley beside
the Dakota and the stated loading dock:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/dakota/alley.htm
Here's a photo of the underground parking
lot directly across the alley from the
loading dock:
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/dakota/parking_lot.htm
[Salvador:]
>> There is no question that Mark David Chapman
>> is innocent, which leads to my second reason
>> for not asking Yoko for permission to get
>> John's autopsy report from Borakove et al.
>>
>> By asking for permission, I would be putting
>> Yoko's life at risk. I would be giving her
>> power--through knowledge--to exonerate
>> Chapman which could lead to all sorts of
>> scandal. The thugs who killed John might
>> very well be forced to kill her as well.
>> Why put her life at risk. I already know
>> what the autopsy report says. It would be
>> nice to read the specifics, but I know enough
>> to make my case. The fact that Borakove
>> is digging in her heals and refusing to
>> cooperate speaks volumes. She's basically
>> pleading the Fifth. That only helps me and
>> hurts her.
[Phil Dogglebe:]
> Or maybe [Borakove] would hand the report over
> to Yoko; for all we know, she could already
> have a copy in her possession. She may keep it
> available for everyone writing a book about
> Lennon. [...]
Anything is possible, I suppose. It looks like
Yoko would respond to a request (from me) for
the autopsy report in one of three ways:
(a) She would say, "Get lost"; (b) she would
give me the report immediately because she
already has a copy in her possession; or
(c) she would grant permission for Borakove
to give me a copy.
No matter how you cut it, there's always a
possibility Yoko might choose C, which would
put her life at risk.
As I stated before, getting a copy is really
a moot point because I already know what it
says. It's a win-win situation for me. If
Borakove decides to give me a copy of the
autopsy report, that's obviously great for
me because it will show that I'm a serious
researcher, plus the report will probably
contain a few addition details to help my
case.
On the other hand, if Borakove continues
to refuse, then she's obviously pleading
the Fifth, circling the wagons. There's
definitely a cover-up at play.
Salvador
http://www.come-and-hear.com
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